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regis101
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Hmm. Excellent. I'm glad I asked.
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Jon_slider
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| Great info Slider. I am running 225 75 16 Wrangler Duratracs on my syncro after the TDI drops in. I think I will try a 1.08 3rd & 0.77 4th with this diamater. |
I do not recommend the 1.08 3rd for your tire and ring and pinion combination
A syncro with 29"+ tires that has stock 4.86 Ring and Pinions is my least favorite combination offroad, it makes granny a bit too fast to crawl
imo IF you plan to keep the 4.86 Ring and Pinions, you should stay with 28" tires. That way your granny gear will crawl slow, like it should.
if you do go to the 225x75x16 with a 4.86 and a .77 4th, you should use a 1.14 3rd
the 1.14 and the .77 go well together
the 1.08 and the .7 go well together
a 4.86 goes well with a 28" tire and
a 5.43 goes will with a 29"
If you go to 29" tire but stay at 4.86 R&P, use a 1.14 and .77
but imo, if you really want to run a 225x75x16, you should bite the bullet and change the ring and pinions.
I may know of a syncro front diff with 5.43 R&P for sale. if you need one pm me and I will give you the contact
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outwesty
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| Great info Slider. I am running 225 75 16 Wrangler Duratracs on my syncro after the TDI drops in. I think I will try a 1.08 3rd & 0.77 4th with this diamater. |
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Jon_slider
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> If going with the 3-4 swap and maybe a R&P change, how does that effect the 1-2 and 2-3 shift point(s).
here are some general observations Ive made after driving a Tdi powered Syncro Westy with 3 different tire sizes, 3 different gearing combinations, and 2 different Ring and Pinions.
1. The BEST configuration, great power on all shifts between all gears, great crawling, great highway acceleration and cruising, low EGT at 70mph. Excellent in every way except offroad ground clearance.
215x75x15 tires, 27.8" diameter BFG AT Ko (close equivalent to 215x70x16)
4.86 Ring and Pinion (I call that "stock")
1.08 3rd, .7 4th
2. The WORST configuration, lagged from a stop because tires made gearing too tall, huge lag and shift gap reaching 4th from 3rd, and ran hotter at 70mph. Bad in every way.
30x9.5x15 tires, 29.5" diameter BFG AT Ko (close equivalent to 225x75x16)
4.86 Ring and Pinion
1.14 3rd, .7 4th
for my needs, on pavement, keeping up with traffic as a daily driver including on the freeway, the 1.08 has the RIGHT gearing for going 45-55mph on hills
the 1.14 is TOO SHORT for that speed range, leading to terrible drivability.
a .7 4th gear does not work well on a hill at 45-55mph. The purpose of a .7 4th is for cruising on the highway at 70mph
I absolutely LOVE the 1.08 and would never do a 1.14 again.
next lets look at the shift gap between changed 3rd and 4th gears
stock 2nd, 1.14 3rd and a .7 4th
the gearing gap from 2nd to 3d is 7% wider than stock
the gearing gap from 3rd to 4th is 11% wider than stock
stock 2nd, 1.08 3rd and a .7 4th
the gearing gap from 2nd to 3rd is 11% wider than stock
the gearing gap from 3rd to 4th is 7% wider than stock
as you can see, you are basically choosing where to put the 11% gap and where to put the 7% gap, either between 2nd and 3rd, or between 3rd and 4th.
In my experience, the 11% gap placed between 2nd and 3rd, and the 7% gap between 3rd and 4th is more practical.
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regis101
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Chiming in here, seeking info.
If going with the 3-4 swap and maybe a R&P change, how does that effect the 1-2 and 2-3 shift point(s).
Does anyone have a new transaxle like from Weddle or something?
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jimeg
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| I am still acquainting myself with my AAZ install, but I believe everything is mechanical so I can't chip mine. |
Even if it's not "chipable", you can make some useful mods to the injection pump of an AAZ engine.
Here's a place where you can start to get a few ideas (translated from French a bit roughly):
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=579.0 |
Thanks for the link. I've had a few very late nights studying that site - lots of really good info. Im pretty excited about going diesel in a Vanagon. Hopefully this engine turns out to be in the condition I was told it was in. I would be interested in making performance improvements to the motor, as long as they don't compromise the the longevity and too much of the efficiency. Im used to 15mpg from my last two Van's, so improving on that should be easy. Once I get everything cleaned up and organized I plan to post an inquiry here and at VWD for tuning and installation recommendations - as well as continue to spend countless hours on the search button.
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Thanks outwesty. I am still acquainting myself with my AAZ install, but I believe everything is mechanical so I can't chip mine. How are you sourcing your AHU's? |
AAZ's can be made to put out some decent power but not as much as an AHU can being direct injection. |
The AHU will put out higher torque figures in the lower rpms but the AAZ has the ability to rev higher. All else equal (intercooler, appropriate turbo, appropriate fueling), the AAZs ability to rev higher results in higher horsepower. Granted, that higher HP comes at the cost of significantly increased fuel consumption. The AAZ was seriously de-tuned from the factory (no intercooler, lower boost pressure, pathetically little on-boost fuel, etc...) and I believe the reason was mostly to create that very misconception that the direct injection results in more power.
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hans j
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As Jon mentioned, I have an ALH TDI with stock gearing in my syncro and 27" (215/75-15 BFG) tires. I usually run about 3200-3300 RPM on the freeway going 63ish MPH and get 27MPGish.
I had the engine balanced before I built it and it will get up to 70MPH but I don't like taking it there. Next year is my trans rebuild time, but I have put over 5000 miles on the stock trans gearing. Just don't plan on getting anywhere in a hurry and you won't mind.
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outwesty
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Thanks outwesty. I am still acquainting myself with my AAZ install, but I believe everything is mechanical so I can't chip mine. How are you sourcing your AHU's? |
AAZ's can be made to put out some decent power but not as much as an AHU can being direct injection. I've owned six 97-98 jetta TDI's. Last summer someone was texting and almost hit us head on. I swerved off the road but he still hit us so now I have another good AHU. I bought the car back from the insurance co for $400. They are out there. We still use one with large injectors and a chip as a daily driver. My record tank is 755 miles on one fill up driving like Grandma. It's a great engine. |
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| I am still acquainting myself with my AAZ install, but I believe everything is mechanical so I can't chip mine. |
Even if it's not "chipable", you can make some useful mods to the injection pump of an AAZ engine.
Here's a place where you can start to get a few ideas (translated from French a bit roughly):
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=579.0 |
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jimeg
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Also. I don't think I intend to "chip" of tweak the engine much. Just want to get up the mountain passes as the speed limit. Don't need to be that quick, mostly efficient and long lasting. I still have some more to learn about this engine though. Waiting on a few more parts to arrive from the seller, then I can make a full assessment and plan.
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Just to let you know a chip in most cases increases your MPG's while adding a significant amount of power. I'm getting ready to do a second AHU Tdi swap and can't imagine not chipping it....its too easy not to and only $300[/quote]
Thanks outwesty. I am still acquainting myself with my AAZ install, but I believe everything is mechanical so I can't chip mine. How are you sourcing your AHU's?
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outwesty
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Also. I don't think I intend to "chip" of tweak the engine much. Just want to get up the mountain passes as the speed limit. Don't need to be that quick, mostly efficient and long lasting. I still have some more to learn about this engine though. Waiting on a few more parts to arrive from the seller, then I can make a full assessment and plan.
Thanks![/quote]
Just to let you know a chip in most cases increases your MPG's while adding a significant amount of power. I'm getting ready to do a second AHU Tdi swap and can't imagine not chipping it....its too easy not to and only $300 |
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jimeg
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> Just want to get up the mountain passes as the speed limit.
no problem, as long as the speed limit is 58mph, which is what you will be doing at 3000rpm in 4th with a stock box and those tires.
You can always regear later if you dont like the stock gearing.
I believe hans j is currently running a stock tranny with a TDi, he goes offroad a lot, maybe touch base with him. I dont think he cares about going on the freeway. |
Thanks. Is 3000 RPM the happy place for this motor? After reading your repsonse, i noted i am at 2500 RPM in my Sprinter at 60mph. I don't intend to spend much time "wheel'n". Mostly highway and back roads traveling around The Great Pacific Northwest and BC.
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jimeg
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| Are you planning a 1.9TDI build or 1.9TD? The difference is very pertinent to gearing. The 1.9TDI engines do not like to rev as high as the 1.9TD (AAZ) engine whereas the 1.9TD (AAZ) does not have as much low-end torque. |
Sounds like I might have the cart before the horse here. Not sure on the build, yet. I'll get that sorted first then. Thanks.
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crazyvwvanman
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If it is a fairly stock AAZ he won't be doing 58 up many mountain passes in 4th. Maybe if he put a 5.43 r&p.
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Jon_slider
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> Just want to get up the mountain passes as the speed limit.
no problem, as long as the speed limit is 58mph, which is what you will be doing at 3000rpm in 4th with a stock box and those tires.
You can always regear later if you dont like the stock gearing.
I believe hans j is currently running a stock tranny with a TDi, he goes offroad a lot, maybe touch base with him. I dont think he cares about going on the freeway.
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jimeg
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That is about a 755 rev/mile tire. I consider that about right for taller tires with a stock AAZ and stock US Syncro tranny. I have run that tire/gearing combo with AAZs for many years.
195/75/16 is not a very common size. I guess you are planning Nokians?
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| Going to install an AAZ in my Syncro. I would like run 195/75 - 16 tires. Do I need to re-gear my trans, or run a different tire size Han this? |
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Yes. Nokians. Exactly. I like the taller/narrower look - more classic VW looking. Plus better snow performance.
That is great to hear. I can just get away with the tire/wheel change and no gearing modifications.
Also. I don't think I intend to "chip" of tweak the engine much. Just want to get up the mountain passes as the speed limit. Don't need to be that quick, mostly efficient and long lasting. I still have some more to learn about this engine though. Waiting on a few more parts to arrive from the seller, then I can make a full assessment and plan.
Thanks!
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That is about a 755 rev/mile tire. I consider that about right for taller tires with a stock AAZ and stock US Syncro tranny. I have run that tire/gearing combo with AAZs for many years.
195/75/16 is not a very common size. I guess you are planning Nokians?
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| Going to install an AAZ in my Syncro. I would like run 195/75 - 16 tires. Do I need to re-gear my trans, or run a different tire size Han this? |
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If you are going to chip tune and add injectors on the AHU I'd do a 1.14 3rd and a 0.70 4th and stock R&P....I run 215 70 16 tires and I think its about perfect. Just yesterday I did donner pass with the cruise on at 73 no problem. If you run any larger tires than that I would not do the .70 4th. At 3000 RPMS's I'm at 72 MPH.
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jimeg
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Going to install an AAZ in my Syncro. I would like run 195/75 - 16 tires. Do I need to re-gear my trans, or run a different tire size than this?
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