Long axle long spline brake drum ,help

[cwbbucker]

Thank you for your help! Put my weeks of searching to shame.

[EVfun]

I'd hit up the classifieds here on theSamba. You are looking for a 1958-1964 backing plate. The 1965-1967 plate looks similar but has the resting spots for the brake shoes by the wheel cylinder and adjusters. I have seen them listed wrong, but if they provide decent pictures in the ad you can tell if it is what you want. 1968 and newer are easy to tell from the older ones because they have holes in the backing plate to adjust the brakes.

This looks like a pair of the needed backing plates. I don't see the weep hole and the shoe bottoms appear to be flat pre-'65 type.
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[cwbbucker]

Thanks EVFun do you know where I can get a matching backing plate to the one I have pictured? I need a right rear. I cant find a matching one with out the guides on the top.

[EVfun]

[cwbbucker]

Did you end up using that backing plate? I cannot find that exact one for the life of me!

Here is a picture of mine anyone have one?

[BL3Manx]

Some techniques for avoiding swingaxle seal leaks;

Ensure the spacer is installed in the correct direction, so the small o-ring can fit into its internal chamfer.

Ensure the spring on the lip seal wasn't partially rolled off the rubber lip when the spacer was pushed onto the axle and into the lip seal. The way to avoid rolling the lip seal/spring is, before the seal/bearing holder is installed, slide the spacer into the seal first and then check the back side of the lip seal and make sure the spring hasn't rolled off and the rubber lip hasn't turned under. Then you install the bearing/seal retainer and spacer as an assembly onto the axle and backing plate

Another problem is if the large O-ring gets pinched. Ensure the large O-ring is slipped all the way down over the outside of the bearing before the bearing/seal retainer/spacer assembly is installed.

Another mistake is to use both gaskets in the kit. Only one is used on a bug.

Ensure the axle nut is correctly torqued.

[Lip Ripper]

Thank you!

[VOLKSWAGNUT]

The oil deflector #13 is a little thicker and wider (not included in cheap kits) and it is totally captured between the axle seal and the 65 up shrouded bearing cap. You have to remove the axle seal from the cap to remove the #13 oil deflector.
Most of us just clean and reuse the #13..

Supposidly.. Wolfsburg West and others sells the kit with both inner #7 and outer #13.

Click here.. you can see the difference in sizes..
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111598051A

Note ^ .. its not in the description...

Heres a pic..

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#13 info.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416443

[Lip Ripper]

Ah, then that would explain my recurring leak. I thought the part in the kit was a new #13 oil deflector. Are they interchangeable? Perhaps my using the earlier drum has forced the o-ring into the spacer distorting it.

Stacey

[VOLKSWAGNUT]

If #7 is radiused... its used..and generally not reuseable

Replace with the new one in the axle bearing kit...

Hopefully you have the axle bearing seal kit ???

This is for one side.. Universal kit..
Beetle uses 1 gasket
Bus uses 2 gaskets

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[Lip Ripper]

Number 7 is the one in question; my err.

Stacey

[VOLKSWAGNUT]

Both inner #5 and outer #10 spacers... the tapered or radiused inner edge goes inward.

If you'll notice the portion of the axle where that #5 is placed its radiused the same way..
When you place #5 on the axle... it created the perfect flat area for the ball bearing to sandwich up against.
#10 captures the oring against the washer #7..


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aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
Search "VOLKSWAGNUT" on YouTube since you cant watch a "certain" BELT change video round here
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[Lip Ripper]

I have read all of this and there is a ton of great info. I have my wife's apart now and based on the info at hand she has a 67 transaxle and tubes. I noticed that the drum is a 113 501 615A which is supposed to be the 57 and earlier type. Do I need a different drum? (Recurring seal leak is the problem). And also, the washer number 5 in the diagram; it has a taper on the inside. Does this taper go inward or outward?

Stacey

[VOLKSWAGNUT]

[Laxkraap]

Dale m
I must have misunderstood what you were showing me/us.i do value your opinion as well as the others who have contributed to the thread.if i came across as a know-it-all that was Not my intention.
I can here looking for help and got more than anyone could expect and for that i am greatfull,even if it doesn't seem as though i am
Thanks all
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Edited because i didnt't proof read

[Dale M.]

[Laxkraap]

Sorry guys,
I've been told i have a 'dry' sense of humor.Hopefully i'll get the bearing out this weekend.I do appreciate all the advise,time and great info and didn't mean to offend anyone
Laxkraap

[VOLKSWAGNUT]

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Volkswagnut
Here they go again

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