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Donnie strickland
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| Aussie - I have a 40-year old service book from UK which describes a centrifugal "automatic" clutch option, which apparently would engage like at 1000 rpm. |
I just ran across this thread, but Cusser, I think you're reading about the Saxomat clutch, which was similar to the auto-stick system, but did not use a torque converter. More info here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
VW did not offer the Saxomat after 1967, having developed the auto-stick by then. According to that thread the Saxomat was offered only in Europe.
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Zundfolge1432 
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Zundfolge1432
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| As for converting autostik to four speed it's not an easy swap especially with pre 1972 cars because you have to fabricate and install the clutch guide tube into the tunnel. This also necessitates fabricating a small bridge angle and welding the tube in three places just like the factory did. Somewhere around 72 and later all pans came with the tube installed which made it easier to make the switch. Back around 1990 VW trends did a in depth how to convert auto to 4 speed and if you do a search you'll see we covered this topic about five years ago. At that time I made available to anyone that article and guess what I got quite a few responses. The cheap and easy way out instead of installing the clutch guide tube is to install hydraulic pedal assembly like that found on a sand rail. I wish you all the best, keep your car all original and the hell with what anybody else thinks. Most of all have fun |
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Tybonater
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I just started this thread to get opinions on auto sticks and if it was even possible to switch them I love driving stick it was just an idea that poped in my head so I thought I would ask didn't mean to start an argument but thanks for every ones input I love hearing peoples opinions on things and learning more about my favorite car in the world !!! VW BUGS  |
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Zundfolge1432
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I don't know about you kid but I want to be in control of my car which means I'll take a four speed. The court of public opinion decided long ago autostik VWs were no fun but since you got one enjoy it. I lost count of how many autostik cars we either converted to manuals or parted out because quite frankly nobody wanted them. Come to think of it I haven't seen an autostik car in a long while so maybe they are becoming rare, if you like that's all that matters . Happy motoring . Just my opinion but the fully automatic found in the type 3s was a much better design. I am not against slush boxes as a rule my truck is 5 speed auto and wife's prius is cvt, that's sorta like the old dyna flow design but I'd bet you'd have to google that to see what I'm talking about.now who would start a thread here as a joke? Here's an idea for joke thread I got a bug and I want to install Chevrolet engine, ideas? Anyone. |
People swapped autosticks out for manuals because it's an easy swap and 9 out of every 10 vws that left the factory were 4 speeds so they're all around. Does these mean some folks bought autosticks on the cheap to convert them? Sure. But it doesn't mean autosticks are "turds" OR designed poorly, they did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do, get folks who for whatever reason couldn't drive 4 speeds from point A to point B. I'm pretty sure I made that abundantly clear earlier in this thread, yet it still escapes you. Which brings me to my next and more important point:
You still haven't explained why you bought 3 autosticks to try to have fun. It's folks like you that drove the term autostick into the ground because your clueless 9 year old attitude toward cars sees them as nothing more than toys, and God forbid my mom-- who couldn't drive a stick shift when my folks bought mine back in 1969-- might also need a way to fucking get around. God your posts sound like a horny 9 year old stupid ass BITCH beating it to his Lamborghini poster.
Oh and by the way, I've been driving sticks for the last 15 years so don't tell me about "having control of your car." But my VW won't ever get changed from an autostick to 4 speed because of it's heritage, it's worth WAY more to me than just having "FUN." But you wouldn't know a damn thing about that would you Skippy. |
Holy shit we got a live one here. take a chill pill ok? I bought autostiks because they were cheap and generally nobody wanted them, this is fact. I worked at two different VW repair shops during the 70s, 80s and 90s the last also being a salvage yard so we bought cars and parted them out. We did not form unhealthy attachments with inanimate objects (cars). We fixed cars and sold parts, that's it. Your situation sounds kinda unusual to me but that's ok by me pal.
Sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities dear. I see you are located in Arkansas that's great i am less than 100 miles away maybe we can drink a cold beer together at eureka springs next month. I'll be at the swap meet selling parts and perhaps parting out auto stick cars too just kiddin. Huh? |
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I taught my blonde 16 year old daughter to drive a stick shift. And that was the only vehicle available for her to drive. That made her learn quickly....
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| Personally, I think knowing how to drive a manual trans vehicle is a good skill to have. |
Sadly its a dying skill.
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When I was in Driver's Ed in school they taught us in new 1971 or 1972 full size Chrysler products (Dodges & Plymouths). After we'd taken the full course and everybody had gone through the driving portion of the class there was some time left so they gave each of us half of a class period of driving practice in a new Super Beetle. The instructor said the local VW dealer had been after them to use Beetles in the class and since there was some class time left they had taken them up on the offer. At 14 years old it was my first experience driving a manual transmission car. Combine that with manual steering and it was a bit of a handful for me at first. But when I bought my first car I went for a manual transmission and nearly every car I've owned since then has had one. 
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demon1018
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| who cares if somebody else doesn't like it! im sure they have or do some stupid crap themselves anyway! everybody has opinions...who cares, doesnt mean they are right. auto sticks are cool... what other car even has this option? hell in 10 or 20 years they may be impossible to find and it will be worth big $. |
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Joel
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| Personally, I think knowing how to drive a manual trans vehicle is a good skill to have. |
Sadly its a dying skill.
With modern autos now shifting in a nano second and getting just as good accleration and fuel economy as manuals its the way even many car enthusists are going.
Its getting bad here in Oz too, most new drivers now can't drive manual as they don't have one to learn in.
But hey look at the bright side:
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Tim Donahoe
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I agree. Why stress out when someone declares their opinion. It's not as if, in response, you'll change their opinion, no matter what you say.
I don't really care what someone on line thinks of my car. It's my car--not theirs. Some people don't like a round window SB. Well--so what! Let them think what they want. It makes no difference in my life, one way or the other, what they think of my windshield. Their opinions are just like when you're driving down the road and you smell a skunk.
Just keep driving--and try not to gag.
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Joey
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| The fact that Firing Order put the word FUN 200 times in his posts against the autostick makes me realize that he simply looks at VWs as toys, nothing more, and the fact that he bought 3 of them makes me realize he thinks of them as DISPOSABLE toys, nothing more. He'll go hot rod one out and slam it into a ditch, no big deal-- just send it to the scrap heap and go get another. Which, when you step back and think about it, means he is contributing to the demise of the VW aircooled scene FAR more than any autostick ever did. |
Not everyone has a sentimental attachment to their car(s).... they are just a bunch of metal, glass, rubber, plastic, etc - nothing more. This Auto-stick vs. manual is a touchy subject for you. You should avoid reading post on the subject - why stress yourself out.
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sb001
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Hey Zundfolge,
My niece turns 16 next year. Ever since a little girl she has loved riding in our autostick bug, and when her folks (my sister and BIL) asked her what kind of car she wanted for her birthday, she said she wanted a VW bug just like ours.
Now, she cannot drive a stick shift, so I want you to come on here with all your autostick hatred, right here right now, and explain to her in detail how she should be instantly excluded from the VW family, and never be able to drive the car she loves. Go ahead, explain-- I'll wait. |
Or she could learn to drive a stick. Other people have done it. I'm not coming down on the autostick. Just saying that the manual trans is also an option. Personally, I think knowing how to drive a manual trans vehicle is a good skill to have. You never know when you might need it. |
Thank you - and to be honest I actually agree 100% with you, as I have told some folks inevitably there will come a point where you need to be able to drive a stick (driving your drunk buddy's car home when no one else could -- yes has happened to me ) But I also believe that people certainly have a right to free will, and if my niece doesn't want to learn to drive stick (at least not yet) but does want a VW bug, who are any of us to keep her from it when there is a viable option?
The fact that Firing Order put the word FUN 200 times in his posts against the autostick makes me realize that he simply looks at VWs as toys, nothing more, and the fact that he bought 3 of them makes me realize he thinks of them as DISPOSABLE toys, nothing more. He'll go hot rod one out and slam it into a ditch, no big deal-- just send it to the scrap heap and go get another. Which, when you step back and think about it, means he is contributing to the demise of the VW aircooled scene FAR more than any autostick ever did.
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SBD
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Hey Zundfolge,
My niece turns 16 next year. Ever since a little girl she has loved riding in our autostick bug, and when her folks (my sister and BIL) asked her what kind of car she wanted for her birthday, she said she wanted a VW bug just like ours.
Now, she cannot drive a stick shift, so I want you to come on here with all your autostick hatred, right here right now, and explain to her in detail how she should be instantly excluded from the VW family, and never be able to drive the car she loves. Go ahead, explain-- I'll wait. |
Or she could learn to drive a stick. Other people have done it. I'm not coming down on the autostick. Just saying that the manual trans is also an option. Personally, I think knowing how to drive a manual trans vehicle is a good skill to have. You never know when you might need it.
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sb001
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Hey Zundfolge,
My niece turns 16 next year. Ever since a little girl she has loved riding in our autostick bug, and when her folks (my sister and BIL) asked her what kind of car she wanted for her birthday, she said she wanted a VW bug just like ours.
Now, she cannot drive a stick shift, so I want you to come on here with all your autostick hatred, right here right now, and explain to her in detail how she should be instantly excluded from the VW family, and never be able to drive the car she loves. Go ahead, explain-- I'll wait.
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sb001
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I don't know about you kid but I want to be in control of my car which means I'll take a four speed. The court of public opinion decided long ago autostik VWs were no fun but since you got one enjoy it. I lost count of how many autostik cars we either converted to manuals or parted out because quite frankly nobody wanted them. Come to think of it I haven't seen an autostik car in a long while so maybe they are becoming rare, if you like that's all that matters . Happy motoring . Just my opinion but the fully automatic found in the type 3s was a much better design. I am not against slush boxes as a rule my truck is 5 speed auto and wife's prius is cvt, that's sorta like the old dyna flow design but I'd bet you'd have to google that to see what I'm talking about.now who would start a thread here as a joke? Here's an idea for joke thread I got a bug and I want to install Chevrolet engine, ideas? Anyone. |
People swapped autosticks out for manuals because it's an easy swap and 9 out of every 10 vws that left the factory were 4 speeds so they're all around. Does these mean some folks bought autosticks on the cheap to convert them? Sure. But it doesn't mean autosticks are "turds" OR designed poorly, they did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do, get folks who for whatever reason couldn't drive 4 speeds from point A to point B. I'm pretty sure I made that abundantly clear earlier in this thread, yet it still escapes you. Which brings me to my next and more important point:
You still haven't explained why you bought 3 autosticks to try to have fun. It's folks like you that drove the term autostick into the ground because your clueless 9 year old attitude toward cars sees them as nothing more than toys, and God forbid my mom-- who couldn't drive a stick shift when my folks bought mine back in 1969-- might also need a way to fucking get around. God your posts sound like a horny 9 year old stupid ass BITCH beating it to his Lamborghini poster.
Oh and by the way, I've been driving sticks for the last 15 years so don't tell me about "having control of your car." But my VW won't ever get changed from an autostick to 4 speed because of it's heritage, it's worth WAY more to me than just having "FUN." But you wouldn't know a damn thing about that would you Skippy.
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Zundfolge1432
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As the former owner of three autostik cars my opinion is they are turds and no fun to drive, you can't even spin the tires on loose gravel, does that sound fun. |
I'll simply say that since they CLEARLY weren't designed for that reason, it escapes me why you would buy one for that purpose-- let alone 3.
And, the OP of this thread still hasn't responded with why he would want to convert a 4 speed to an autostick.
Which makes me think this whole thread is a joke. |
I don't know about you kid but I want to be in control of my car which means I'll take a four speed. The court of public opinion decided long ago autostik VWs were no fun but since you got one enjoy it. I lost count of how many autostik cars we either converted to manuals or parted out because quite frankly nobody wanted them. Come to think of it I haven't seen an autostik car in a long while so maybe they are becoming rare, if you like that's all that matters . Happy motoring . Just my opinion but the fully automatic found in the type 3s was a much better design. I am not against slush boxes as a rule my truck is 5 speed auto and wife's prius is cvt, that's sorta like the old dyna flow design but I'd bet you'd have to google that to see what I'm talking about.now who would start a thread here as a joke? Here's an idea for joke thread I got a bug and I want to install Chevrolet engine, ideas? Anyone. |
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sb001
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Many autostick parts are long obsolete. Try finding the
special dual action oil pump for the engine for these models. |
No you will probably not find a new one unless its NOS. However:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?...ton=Search
Or if you need a vendor supplied one with warranty:
http://www.evwparts.com/vwparts/113115101ABC.html
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| The vast majority of VW people would rather have a manual trans. Also in case some of you might not be aware, the autostick only has three forward speeds, not four. |
The autostick uses the torque converter IN PLACE of 1st gear. (Low, Drive 1, and Drive 2 are EXACTLY the same gear ratios as 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in a conventional 4 speed.) The whole point of the TC in place of 1st gear is to prevent slippage and stalling on startup- and the reason why most autostick clutches last for decades. Which brings me to my next point:
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| I would say the autosticks are generally quite reliable, but they don't respond well to sitting around. Changing the clutch is a bit of a pain, too. |
Or you could do what I did and get a spare whole autostick tranny for $100 and swap the whole thing.
I agree 4 speeds should be left alone unless there's a good reason to swap, as I mentioned earlier.
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Volktales
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I can actually admit I did convert a manual trans bug into an autostick. No it was not for me, and yes the owner needed it done for health reasons. Do I recommend it? Not really. The driving experience is unique and they do not feel that slow due to the torque multiplication. As others have mentioned the clutch is quite small and not suitable for engine upgrades. Many autostick parts are long obsolete. Try finding the special dual action oil pump for the engine for these models. The vast majority of VW people would rather have a manual trans. Also in case some of you might not be aware, the autostick only has three forward speeds, not four. I would say the autosticks are generally quite reliable, but they don't respond well to sitting around. Changing the clutch is a bit of a pain, too.
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Just the same semi autos the US got.
they were actually fully imported from Germany where as all the manual trans bugs were built here.
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