Crossing the Canada/US border with guns

[kamzcab86]

With that, thread closed.
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[Merian]

a sidearm is definitely NOT effective against a grizzly no matter who you are or think you are

the skull has the same shape as the armor on a Sherman tank and no side arm is powerful enough to do anything beyond skidding up the rostrum and taking off all the skin & fur

this makes the bear very angry
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[djkeev]

The answer is quite simple, don't bring guns into a neighboring jurisdiction that bans guns.

NJ bans fireworks, you can buy them literally feet from the NJ border in Pennsylvania.
NJ has actually stationed personnel near the Pennsylvania stores radioing license plates across the Delaware, they are pulled over and the illegal fireworks are dealt with.

Colorado and other isolated States have legal pot, can you carry it across the neighboring States border and be immune from that States laws?

Of course not.

I pissed off a Border agent once by wanting to walk back to the border with Canada and take a picture of a historic tavern straddling the border from the days of prohibition. Legal to drink in Canada, walk across the room and get your drink, consume it and walk back into the US to eat dinner.
I did not get my photo because of his (USA) threats to me.

Know the laws of where you are going and obey them, it's that simple.

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[sjbartnik]

Hey, they run their borders like they see fit; we run our borders like we see fit.

My guess is they've had a rash of jokers lately who think their CCP means something in an entirely different country.
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[Bassyaks]

This post has gotten way off of the original post ( which the Mod charged the title) First, not every CCP or CWP is used to repeal the bad guy, some states require it to remove your handgun from your home, whether to go to the range or the Gun shop or smith. If the Border Agent asks if you have weapons in the vehicle and you reply "no" , they still can search, I see no reason to ask you if you have a licensed permit in the USA to carry a firearm which warrants it to a mandatory search in Canada.

[Abscate]

Doug , it's a pleasure to engage someone some distance away from my position on this issue in such a civilized way.

The problem as I see it is to benefit society you need a combination of gun use training and then also combat training. All of my relatives get both, but they are all NYPD. Of the people I know who carry and are not NYPD, 1:20 have both sets of skills

Your mileage will drastically vary by locality of course.

We had a jeweler in town who chased two smash and grab perps into a mall parking lot, then laid down fire at their vehicle. Gulp. ( every single gun license in his household was revoked. )
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[IdahoDoug]

I often find it conversationally awkward when an anti/non gunner speaks with authority that a gun is not effective protection. I believe a speaker can speak for THEMSELVES with a gun and that being ineffective. But I believe when a speaker says that Doug, or Ted, or Sally with a firearm is ineffective, they are way over reaching. Again, it is when people force their belief system upon others that I think the leadership has gone astray and in a micro way, that is also how discussions of this topic similarly become ineffective.

If you accept YOUR position that a firearm is definitely NOT effective, then you wanting to take that choice away seems perfectly logical and rational. I understand that, folks.

If, however, you accept my position that a firearm is definitely effective, then you wanting to take that choice away from me seems heavy handed. It is this latter position that gunners like me have, and may explain to some of you why it is problematic when you espouse taking that choice away.

By way of further, imagine if I told you that you cannot own a powerful sports car that can go 150mph because I worry that you are not capable, trained or have the temperament to do so in a world with 80mph speed limits. Instantly we are no longer talking about a car, but I am insulting you, your skills, your judgement, and a whole raft of things that you probably hold dear to your value system. Do you see the difference?

A sidearm in the hands of a well trained individual is a benefit to society. If I am standing in the checkout line next to a lady who happens to be your wife when a robber comes in, all is well. I'm not going to draw and fire. Its well right up to the moment he eyes the lady standing behind me in line and says "we need a hostage, you're coming with me." The moment the timing is right, he just changed the situation and I'm going to prevent some random lady who later turns out to be your wife from being taken.

There are thousands of scenarios where this proves to be true. As I have in literally every single firearm discussion, I urge folks to read "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott for an effective overview of the statistical reality of the situation.
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[theadventureneverends]

Aloha Wildthing

Are you able to edit your post a little? The way you quoted my post looks like I wrote about doubting stopping a charging bear with bullets and my name is Neil, which it is not.


[Moderator note: quoted posts on page 4 fixed.]

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[theadventureneverends]

I would guess their computer system let's them know if the driver has a CCP before the vehicle even gets to the booth. My wife and I have ccps and have not been asked at the border yet. Last time we went was exactly a year ago.

We have never tried to bring a firearm of any sort into Canada. Although we did drive about 1000 miles in NW Canada to catch a ferry in Prince Rupert had we had time to explore some of the gorgeous very remote country we would have appreciated being able to be armed. Once we got to Alaska I bought several and skipped Canada on the return trip.

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[Vanagon Nut]

As far as protecting yourself against a bear or cougar, say in BC..... (one factor in deciding to carry a firearm into Canada, I guess)

If a cougar is tracking you, and wants you, you won't know till it happens.

With a black/brown bear, (and most certainly a grizzly), bear spray may help but is no guarantee. It may only serve to further anger your foe.

Do you think a few bullets, of which maybe only one hits the target, will stop a bear, or worse a moose, when its charging?

Neil.
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[Merian]

bear spray is the best for most people; any side arm is the worst

and no, my knowledge on this is not particularly limited
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[JudoJeff]

So-o-o hiding the guns under the marijuana bales, covered by the bear and cougar hides isn't a good idea when entering Canada?
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[Zeitgeist 13]

This thread is about an American attempting to cross into Canada, so American "rights" are pretty moot, since Canadians are under no obligation to honor whatever it is we believe to be our gawd-given "right". When voluntarily entering another country, you honor their laws--period. Don't like, then don't go--period.

[Sodo]

A lot of Americas obsession with guns was caused by deft marketing. Read the book "GLOCK" by Paul Barrett. Good read.

Guns are also a very effective political tool to drive a wedge between any legislation that may affect "the investment sectors". Huge marketing dollars are available to maintain the existing profitable investment sectors. Huge marketing dollars have a definite effect on society, change the way people think. Fear, inc.

I personally think guns should be used to blast sh*t. Or to just marvel at their construction, and feel the excitement of the explosion. Thats just me. Talk of pointing them at people, or inventing danger that necessitates a gun for protection from and I'm not interested. If I was walking around Alaska I'd have one, and it would be nice if there was nobody telling me I couldn't.

But by sheer numbers there are many many people who shouldn't. Opposing all controls has an inevitable outcome of gun saturation, where the percentage of resposible gun owners become the minority. Then you need a gun just for protection from the other owners. This could be evidenced but the ratio of "personal protection guns" that are produced. Its what, 3:1? 4:1? We are there IMHO.

All the while the gun industry dumps guns out into society by the truckload. And people want them, buy them, respond to the marketing, vote for more. It can't end well. JMHO....
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