1994 Eurovan 5 cyl with manual trans... options for engine swap

[Alan Brase]

Maybe waking up a thread: Has anybody determined if it is possible to swap in any of the newer I5 2.5 engines to an early I5 Eurovan? I've go both a automatic and a manual that both need motors. both were overheated and damaged.
also, someone told me the earlier 1990 era Audi 2.2 turbo could be made to fit.
Has anyone done this?
I realize the 2.2 has a shorter deck than the 2.5 AAF engine, so they will not just bold in.
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Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home

[volkybus]

Well maybe your right.. Thanks...The slave cylinder failed for the at least the third time.. I decided to dump it.. I just wanted a fun van to drive and camp but like Bob Dylan says it ant me babe It ain't me u looking for ( my van to me) Bill in Puerto Rico stuck. I M at least the third person that I know of who gave up on it..

[Zeitgeist 13]

That sounds like a linkage problem.
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[volkybus]

Which tranny is which didn't one. Come w the diesel? We also arnt that savvy..Just plain folks trying to keep these complakited wrecks going..mine gets stuck in gear and I have to jack it up to get. It to shift... Happened Twice today..Pure junk.. I have decided to dump it.. Bill.stuck in PR still.. Thanks

[Zeitgeist 13]

I don't think we got the 02g here in the US.
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

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[volkybus]

Any update on this engine swap? Or did you fix your old one..I guess I am just lazy y old age..I wonder if VW thought they'd last this long? I guess they didn't realize how addiction to these vans is strong...Our club says '"a addiction only cured by death". I personally have been addicted to these things since the 60'$ Owned at least 25 & 15 on the road... Bill in Puerto Rico...How's everything where you all are,?? We're stuck here and only go out for essential stuff..[/youtube]

[volkybus]

This person is not mechanically solid so how about rebuilding his own engine.
Or having it done by a pro..parts r available.
Either way it's a crap shoot on used..

Just a idea
.if rebuilding your own or putting a used engine is the same price I'M d go.for the rebuild..a used engine is a used engine which may blow up in 500 miles...u really never know
Good luck either way
..Bill in Puerto Rico 4 now
.and other used engines swaps... is not for the weak of heart..and your van may be down for months but very nice in u pull it off..

Thanks for listening to a old hippy

[Joshwa]

I finally looked up the 07k and it does look like a good option to stay gas. I wonder what sensors or emissions would be needed for it to run properly. But definitely is a good option I haven't heard about till now.
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93 Weekender TDI conversion (AHU)
93 MV TDI conversion (1Z)
Weekender rear cot
Late model cabin air filter on 93
Euro spec bumper install on 93

[Stripped66]

Indeed, I didn't mention the sump mods or Josh's list as they are the same issues with any engine swap that's not EV-specific.


I know the 1.8t swap into EV has been done before, but it also poses the same challenges as the 07K...but with an older, more expensive engine that might additionally require a new or rebuilt turbo to restore reasonable performance (bias: I've owned a 1.8t powered A4 for the past 13 years...).


Given the OP's admitted lack of of mechanical expertise, it might be wise to steer him towards Josh's diesel build thread. He may be able to assess whether he's capable of starting and finishing the least complicated of the swaps discussed.
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[Zeitgeist 13]

It makes sense that VAG made the new fiver bell footprint the same as other popular engines. I googled 07K and saw a pic of the bare block. It appears to be configured like a VR6, but in inline orientation.

The sump would also need to be modded to tilt the engine forward instead of 15 degrees backward like all the othe FWD cars. Thanks for shedding some light on this engine option.
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[Joshwa]

To go with your list of modifications needed for engines that mate to the bell housing, are additionally:

Transmission extension arm interferes with sump. Sump modification.

The support for the Transmission extension arm to the back of the engine.

Downpipe

Throttle mounting
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93 Weekender TDI conversion (AHU)
93 MV TDI conversion (1Z)
Weekender rear cot
Late model cabin air filter on 93
Euro spec bumper install on 93

[Stripped66]

Just to address my uncertainty above, Fabless Manufacturing and Kennedy Engineering documents that the 07K shares the same bellhousing pattern as the 1.8t and 2.0. So, that's the easy part.

The hard parts:
- What additional modification to the EV transaxle that is needed to clear the timing chain cover on the 07K is unknown.
- Passenger side motor mount will likely require a custom adaptation
- Ancillaries (alternator, PS pump, A/C compressor) will need to be adapted
- Air enters intake/throttle-body from driver's side
- Engine management (whether you attempt to adapt the stock ECM or start from scratch with a new EMS, assuming you have no experience with either)


Should the OP consider the 07K? Probably not.

Still, I'm interested to see whether the growing popularity of the 07K swaps eventually makes its way over to the EV.
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[Joshwa]

Really, my cheap swaps were mostly due to the van being already a manual transmission. For a later model, different, since you neat to swap the transmission as well. Not too long ago, a diesel geared transmission and swap parts is about 2500-3000. Then your donor car cost. I agree and say 4-5k to do it yourself with no shortcuts.
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93 Weekender TDI conversion (AHU)
93 MV TDI conversion (1Z)
Weekender rear cot
Late model cabin air filter on 93
Euro spec bumper install on 93

[Zeitgeist 13]

Wow, $2300 is pretty cheap for an engine swap of any kind. I think the DIY ALH swap into my Vanagon comes in around $3k, half of which was solely the cost for my manual injection pump. If I were to do it again, I think I could possibly make it happen for between $1500 and $2000.

I think an AEB 1.8t could be done for really cheap, using all the stock engine management system and wiring. How much is a T4 1.9TD install package?
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

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[Joshwa]

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[Zeitgeist 13]

I'm pretty sure the newer fives are built on an entirely different pan and bellhousing footprint, than the older Audi designed versions, but I could be wrong. They are super abundant and cheap right now
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Casey--

'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[Stripped66]

Anybody consider the newer 2.5L VW inline 5's? They are dirt cheap, torque is similar to the VR6's, HP lands between the 12v and 24v versions of the VR6, and the 2.5L shouldn't require a change in gearing like a TDi would. IMO, the price of one of these engine, plus a stand-alone EMS, is thousands cheaper than a diesel conversion.
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