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DuncanS Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Didn't know about the ethnic slurs--agree on you decision. |
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dobryan Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Abscate wrote: |
DuncanS wrote: |
I know TK was harsh, but I always looked forward to his advice which was usually pretty good and on point. His products are good too. The problem was the "T" actually stood for tactless. I'm sorry he's gone. |
he was almost always on point but , indeed, didnt hand out participation trophies.
I also miss him. |
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Abscate  Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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DuncanS wrote: |
I know TK was harsh, but I always looked forward to his advice which was usually pretty good and on point. His products are good too. The problem was the "T" actually stood for tactless. I'm sorry he's gone. |
he was almost always on point but , indeed, didnt hand out participation trophies.
I also miss him. _________________ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ π π π |
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DuncanS Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2013 Posts: 4583 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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I know TK was harsh, but I always looked forward to his advice which was usually pretty good and on point. His products are good too. The problem was the "T" actually stood for tactless. I'm sorry he's gone. |
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Abscate  Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Ronzo_volvo_guy wrote: |
Duncan;
It's a minor thing, but having the paper washer between the head of securing screw and first disc is pretty important to prevent spinning (and shattering)...mine is still the original, but pretty beat up at this point...I expect I'll replace it with a piece of cardboard along the lines of a matchbook cover (cause that's what the original sure feels like!)
...and BTW...I have just needed to make some "glass interface washers" to allow the hinge hardware on an 1800ES (the "Sport Wagon" with the big rear glass door) to be installed...a situation not unlike this where a metal hardware must secure a brittle material...I used 0.044" fiber filled resin "Fishpaper" for this...it's very solid (and I expect much more UV stable than the OEM nylon washers) so will allow securing metal hardware to glass and take up the compression with no chance of shattering the glass...maybe using a washer of this material would work well for the cut-off discs also...am I over-engineering this...?
Who is Terry Kay?
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Ronzo_volvo_guy Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2015 Posts: 194 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Duncan;
It's a minor thing, but having the paper washer between the head of securing screw and first disc is pretty important to prevent spinning (and shattering)...mine is still the original, but pretty beat up at this point...I expect I'll replace it with a piece of cardboard along the lines of a matchbook cover (cause that's what the original sure feels like!)
...and BTW...I have just needed to make some "glass interface washers" to allow the hinge hardware on an 1800ES (the "Sport Wagon" with the big rear glass door) to be installed...a situation not unlike this where a metal hardware must secure a brittle material...I used 0.044" fiber filled resin "Fishpaper" for this...it's very solid (and I expect much more UV stable than the OEM nylon washers) so will allow securing metal hardware to glass and take up the compression with no chance of shattering the glass...maybe using a washer of this material would work well for the cut-off discs also...am I over-engineering this...?
Who is Terry Kay?
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Ronzo_volvo_guy Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2015 Posts: 194 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Forum; I have broken many a red disc in the Dremel also...and being extra careful not to subject the disc to lateral force, only helped by prolonging the point at which they would shatter a little...then, I heard about the "double them up" tip mentioned early in this thread...and since I didn't really need a super thin slot, I tried it...Result: a marked improvement to the point that I now wear the disc(s) out (I most often use it for a specific job, where I must cut pretty hard steel) instead of shattering them...
Abscate; We tried "seeing the sun" yesterday, but it was too freakin' cold outside to do any work (here in CT, so I expect, not much diff from you in upstate), so we adjourned back into the cottage and did some sample rivnut setting (without the tool), to work out the method at the vice, in preparation for installing the Fog Light brackets...those pop rivets seller includes are too small for the holes (as YT "Gotta Split" also found out), so we are going to install 1/4" rivnuts which should hold the brackets well...later this week,its supposed to warm up...then I expect we will get more done outside, and play less "keyboard expert"...
Cheers
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DuncanS Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Wow--Amzaing how a simple request for information from the OP brought out the Terry Kay in us.
Thanks for the info on the reinforced inexpensive discs. I have the dedicated arbor, but never use it as the discs are so expensive, so thanks for the alternative.
I use only red discs 'cause I was too dumb to know any other choice. Always double them up. Sometimes I have a spinning problem, which I've discovered is mostly due to the threaded hole in the arbor not being deep enough. When the wheels are worn down to small, I use the nub of one of the old ones as a washer and it spaces the screw out far enough so there is never a spinning issue.
Buying some reinforced ones immediately.
Love my Dremel. Been through dozens. Single speed, variable, two speed, they all work. Couldn't live without it. I say to friends, to build a boat you only need a chainsaw and a Dremel. Anything in between is a wast of time.
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vanagonjr Samba Member

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nemobuscaptain Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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?Waldo? wrote: |
I have been using the screw style for more than 20 years on automotive projects. I have used the discs for cutting steel, aluminum, stainless, and multiple types of cast iron. I've used them on exhaust bolts, cutting sheet metal, cutting thicker steel up to 3/8" thick, cleaning up welds, etc, etc...
I cut those louvers using only the screw-type fiber reinforced wheels:
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jimf909 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Those are good looking louvers. Patience and skill = good results.
?Waldo? wrote: |
I cut those louvers using only the screw-type fiber reinforced wheels:
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This is the main fault with DIY'ers, they get together on these forums and pat themselves on their backs spreading bad information. |
Guilty as charged.
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Abscate  Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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The red disks caused Covid. They tried to get the new ones in time but Dremel was too late. _________________ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ π π π |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Isn't that always a consideration?  _________________ '87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
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khughes Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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?Waldo? wrote: |
I would mention one other consideration. Although I have not had an issue with the discs spinning on the arbor, and with proper assembly of arbor/disc and appropriate use of the tool, I'm not sure how that is possible. But if you are doing assembly correctly and operating the tool in a manner that causes the disc to spin on the arbor, then if it did not spin then the rpms would drop significantly and you would burn out the motor very quickly. Although I have not been in that situation, if I was then I would feel better about ruining a $0.10 disc or an arbor rather than paying for the $3 discs in order to ruin the machine. |
There's one other important consideration - size. When I was clearancing my block for the oil return, the much larger EZ-loc disks were the perfect diameter to make a smooth crescent shaped relief. Couldn't have done that with the 24mm discs. And you can cut much deeper. OTOH, you can cut much finer, and thinner lines with the small discs. I use them both all the time, and pick whichever suits my current task the best.
Now, I just wish they'd make a bit larger and more durable wire brush attachment!! _________________ '86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin) |
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?Waldo? Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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I would mention one other consideration. Although I have not had an issue with the discs spinning on the arbor, and with proper assembly of arbor/disc and appropriate use of the tool, I'm not sure how that is possible. But if you are doing assembly correctly and operating the tool in a manner that causes the disc to spin on the arbor, then if it did not spin then the rpms would drop significantly and you would burn out the motor very quickly. Although I have not been in that situation, if I was then I would feel better about ruining a $0.10 disc or an arbor rather than paying for the $3 discs in order to ruin the machine. |
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Jeffrey Lee Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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?Waldo? wrote: |
0cean wrote: |
2nd on this tool... the screw-on disks will spin and loose cutting ability. |
If that happens it is simply due to operator error. Never happens to me. |
Ditto here (raises hand) ...
Maybe the Dremel is plugged in the wrong way, and it's rotating backwards?  |
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djkeev Samba Moderator

Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32987 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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J Charlton  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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Just goes to prove the validity of what a wise man once told me:
"There isn't a project in the world that can't be screwed up with a Dremel"
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?Waldo? Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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djkeev wrote: |
I like the uber super duper proprietary lock on disc,
you like the generic thread on type. |
Is there any other 'you' in this thread that you might be talking to? You didn't name any names, but your post was quite clearly directed at me as I seem to be the main proponent for the 'thread on type'. In being directed at me it seemed remarkably off point.
If you had not intended to direct your comment at me, then you should have used better wording, e.g. "some people like the uper expensive proprietary disc, some people like the thread on... everyone, try to be civil and respectful, etc..." |
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djkeev Samba Moderator

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on small dremel metal cutting wheels |
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?Waldo? wrote: |
djkeev wrote: |
As with many areas of life, do what is best for you.
I like the uber super duper proprietary lock on disc,
you like the generic thread on type.
You're not wrong and neither am I.
I won't criticize your choice, you don't criticize mine.... deal?
We're offering options and sharing experiences with each other.
Amazingly the Sun will still come up tomorrow.
Considering the subject matter, as amazing as it seems, I've already cleaned this thread up once.
I have no desire to do it again over something as inane as a fiber cut off disc.
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I never said that you were wrong in your choice. I offered an educated opinion about what I have found to be a better value because that is what epowell asked for. I couldn't care less what cutoff wheels you or anyone else uses. When someone says something and my experience has shown the opposite, I don't mind voicing my opinion in a clear and respectful manner, as I have done throughout each of my comments in this thread. Everyone can benefit from that type of discussion. That is what these forums are for. If you or anyone else take offense at that, then you might want to adjust your view. |
Why so defensive? names were never mentioned. 🤷♂️
Just a general comment.......
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