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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Sorry, Wrong topic.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

OK, The S & T quote was on a trip so that was a bad selection, but how about this one?
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With you, Dave, want one. RHD wouldn't be a problem for me.

Back in the Jurassic, my parents went to Spain on a jaunt and picked up a Hillman Minx convertible as a rental and drove all over the place. It had inside landau bars and a feature that allowed the front half of the top to be folded back while keeping the back half up. Like an early sunroof. Great, it kept the sun off your neck and the ladies hair under control. They loved it so much they brought it back to the US. RHD. A gas to drive. A bit awkward if you wanted to pass someone, but it didn't have enough power to pass anyone anyway. And at night your eyes were farther from the other lane so it was fine. And of course, was a girl grabber as no one had ever seen one. Tan top and red leather upholstery. Very jaunty. Not the best made car, British engineering and Lucas instruments. Had it for years and years. The only problem was the front bearing of the starter motor was exposed and right where the front tire would toss road crud on it. After about 20k miles, it wouldn't start. No problem. We took a 2 x 4 and shaped it with a narrow shaft so it would fit among hoses, etc. A nicely shaped handle. Open the hood and whack the starter motor a few times and off you would go for another week or so, then whack again.
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Just remembered it had a 4 speed tranny while US cars only had three. Easy, 4 speed pattern for your left hand and 3 for your right. NP

Exposed motor bearings? T3 front heater motor? Guess protecting bearings on the other side of the pond isn't something they are good at. Wonder if the SA T3 fixed that? I know they added relays and fixed some wiring issues. Definitely want one and love the huge back side window opening. Can't wait to get my hands on one and whack the roof out and do other stupid stuff.

AND NO SALT DOWN THERE!!!!

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Not trying to pic a fight here, just wondering what the criteria really is.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

List of body panel that are different.
Sliding door
Front doors
Rear 1/4 panels
Tailgate
Front wings
Chassi
Panel below windscreen
Rear valance
Sliding door runner cover
3 solid side panels
There is a small modification to A pillars to acomodate the rap arround lower grill.
If you look, there are less swage lines in all the side panels including doors.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

I don't see any difference in the front doors.
It would be nice to see VW make a run of the SA bumpers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Here are a few photos of my 1992 Syncro.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

SA built vehicles did not have ABS and the rear air intake/ cabin exhaust panel will not fit a German built vehicle.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Production was not moved from Germany to SA. SA started building its own T3's from 1987 onwards with unique RHD body shells and then changing the body style to the big windows from 1990. SA also built their own syncros from 1987 till end of 1992. Only aproximatly 3500 syncros were built in SA. A lot of the syncro parts stock that was still in SA has already been bought up and shipped to the US. SA is not abundant with syncro's and parts like suggested above but local owner struggle for parts especially gearbox parts. 2WD vehicles were manufactured in SA from 1987 till June 2002. Before this 2WD's were assembled in SA.
The big window vehicle had many upgrades compared to the earlier vehicles from chassi, body panels and doors, electrical, engines, interiour trim and seats, updated aircon, unrated brakes etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Like briefly mentioned above, Jan 1997 and older are eligible under the 25 year import rule.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Eventually vw got the right engines at the end.
Why they didn't do a bit more work on top of the 1.6 diesel and fit the 1.8 gti rabbit motor is a mystery. Just design another overcomplicated engine with new faults for more money instead....
The SA built ones aren't the same a a German built one -build quality may vary..
Ps Porsche built there own1.8 gti company bus about 1982 so someone new. Obviously for porsche it wasn't enough, 3.2 was.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Don't forget the 25 year rule for importing into America unless you want to pay big $ tax. So that 2002 can come in around 2027.
Now here in Canada it's only 15 years Wink .

I don't really see an advantage to dealing with RHD. That's why I was looking into getting just the sheet metal and parts for converting a NA vehicle with the newer scoop/air exchange setup.
There are plenty of engine conversions that will give similar results to the factory 5s.
Anti-lock brakes would be nice, maybe parts for that system? Maybe a pre 1997 parts car?

But is it worth the money and effort to import a 25 year old parts car? Shipping alone is about $3000.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

I've imported a few parts from SA to the UK. The places I've dealt with are generally very happy to accommodate but purchase costs are high and logistics & tax/import charges almost equal them.

The grilles and panels without the sliding door runner are of particular interest.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

DuncanS wrote:
With you, Dave, want one. RHD wouldn't be a problem for me.


RHD is no problem for me either. Left hand shift - that's a different critter altogether. Maybe I'm just uncoordinated, but a week and a half driving a 5sp Jetta around Ireland and I still couldn't shift without concentrating on it! Learned my lesson - rented an automatic (a Holden small SUV) and drove 5K miles around Australia without any problems (well, a couple speeding tickets, but...)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

You bet. Amazed there hasn't been talk of this before. If I'da known, I wooda have flown over there before I bought the current '91.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

syncro surf wrote:
Just to clarify, it's the big window 2wd T3's that seem plentiful, not so much syncros.


Still...... to have a 2002 model with a factory installed Audi engine?
11 years newer than anything available here, not even an antique yet!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

R105000 (SA rands) =$6800 US dollars

Looks like you can get a big window 2wd for about $4000.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Just to clarify, it's the big window 2wd T3's that seem plentiful, not so much syncros.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

This red one is the facebook offering asking R105,000 whatever that may be?
No real details offered and this is an 89 with the standard German design.


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Duncan, Here you go:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Duncan, Here you go:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

Hey, 4WD Waves in Maine. For those of us who don't do FB, can you do a screen shot of the offering? Plz. As soon as this pesky C 19/20/21/22 stuff is over, I want to fly down and drive it back. Is the Siberian/AK bridge up yet?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: South African T3 "Vanagon" 1992-2002 Reply with quote

With you, Dave, want one. RHD wouldn't be a problem for me.

Back in the Jurassic, my parents went to Spain on a jaunt and picked up a Hillman Minx convertible as a rental and drove all over the place. It had inside landau bars and a feature that allowed the front half of the top to be folded back while keeping the back half up. Like an early sunroof. Great, it kept the sun off your neck and the ladies hair under control. They loved it so much they brought it back to the US. RHD. A gas to drive. A bit awkward if you wanted to pass someone, but it didn't have enough power to pass anyone anyway. And at night your eyes were farther from the other lane so it was fine. And of course, was a girl grabber as no one had ever seen one. Tan top and red leather upholstery. Very jaunty. Not the best made car, British engineering and Lucas instruments. Had it for years and years. The only problem was the front bearing of the starter motor was exposed and right where the front tire would toss road crud on it. After about 20k miles, it wouldn't start. No problem. We took a 2 x 4 and shaped it with a narrow shaft so it would fit among hoses, etc. A nicely shaped handle. Open the hood and whack the starter motor a few times and off you would go for another week or so, then whack again.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Just remembered it had a 4 speed tranny while US cars only had three. Easy, 4 speed pattern for your left hand and 3 for your right. NP

Exposed motor bearings? T3 front heater motor? Guess protecting bearings on the other side of the pond isn't something they are good at. Wonder if the SA T3 fixed that? I know they added relays and fixed some wiring issues. Definitely want one and love the huge back side window opening. Can't wait to get my hands on one and whack the roof out and do other stupid stuff.

AND NO SALT DOWN THERE!!!!

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