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steve244
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 Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:16 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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I got a walbro pump. It's very quiet. You can hear it whirring with nothing else running, but it's a healthy sound, not the whining of the other pump.
It's about two inches longer than the OEM pump, so some fuel line trimming is necessary.
I ran it into a bucket before connecting completely. The fuel output was much stronger/higher volume.
Connected it seems to overwhelm the fuel pressure regulator a bit with pressure between 35-38 psi with the engine off. Engine running it settles down to 30-33 psi. This might be due to vacuum control on the regulator. I think it's ok. AFR doesn't seem any less as measured by a meter.
The thing is very well constructed. "Made in USA".
With the neoprene rubber sleeve it fits the OE mount perfectly, but it comes with its own brackets.
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Van den Broke
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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| In my experience UPS charges a hefty brokerage fee on items shipped to Canada. But I haven't had stuff sent to a UPS store. |
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steve244
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jocoman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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I would like to try the Walbro pump. I believe it is a model GCL-603.
Does anyone have a link to a vendor with stock and reasonable price. I'll have it shipped to a US border town and pick up myself.
In canada it would be about $300 to my door from a candaian supplier. Ugh!
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harvgwen
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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Ron, that being the case, I will definitely be buying parts from BusDepot in the future.
Harv
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steve244
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E1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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That’s exactly what Burt Reynolds said to Jon Voight on a random canoe trip.
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steve244
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E1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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How many times?  
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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| E1 wrote: |
Per Mark Ward’s well-placed comments two posts up…
I well remember Lucas Valdez’s comments on The Bus Movie about breakdowns being, paraphrased, “an adventure” — a good year before we bought a Vanagon.
I looked at the Missus and asked, “Are we absolutely sure we wanna buy one?”
Not sure I’ve answered that question yet, now a dozen years later...  |
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Busdepot
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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| Thanks Ron. I’ll keep BusDepot in mind for part ordering. Have you looked into the option of pre paying Canadian duty at the time of checkout? In addition to the actual shipping cost, the shipping company usually needs to pay Canadian duty for the parts (which in itself is reasonable). They then charge what I consider to be exorbitant “brokerage” fees. There is no way of knowing what these fees will be beforehand, nor is there really any recourse, the buyer just needs to buck up and pay it. The end cost is often double the price of the part. |
That’s a common problem, and very misleading in my opinion, as the carriers (and retailers) rarely disclose the huge "balloon payment" you're going to be hit with at the end. But not if you buy from us. We've been shipping to Canada for almost 30 years so we know how to avoid it. Right off the bat, our negotiated shipping rates INCLUDE free brokerage (as well as about a 50% discount on the shipping itself), so it's already included in the shipping quote. (There can be isolated exceptions, most notably large items going by ground, but even then we can generally switch to another service to avoid it.) You will still pay a nominal processing fee, typically about $10, but frankly the carriers generally hide that upcharge in the price even if you prepay duty. Of course there is also the duty itself, but we take pains to categorize our parts in such a way as to minimize or even avoid it (to the extent legally possible of course). Often you end up paying extra duty just because the seller used the wrong tariff codes for lack of experience. A minor difference can sometimes double or triple the duty.
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E1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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Per Mark Ward’s well-placed comments two posts up…
I well remember Lucas Valdez’s comments on The Bus Movie about breakdowns being, paraphrased, “an adventure” — a good year before we bought a Vanagon.
I looked at the Missus and asked, “Are we absolutely sure we wanna buy one?”
Not sure I’ve answered that question yet, now a dozen years later...
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Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere." — Colin Chapman
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harvgwen
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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Jocoman, from Ottawa you’re even farther from the US border than I am in Kelowna (140km). I’ve also done this before but it’s usually not worth a special trip.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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We just returned from South Dakota road trip. The roads we travel don't even have shoulders at times. The most dangerous place to work on your van even a simple tire change is on the shoulder of a highway. Too many distracted drivers out there. The others are in a race.
An existing fuel pump failed, a new one was quiet at first and is now making noise. Personally, my life is worth more than a cheap ass part. I think your van is talking to you and you aren't listening.
There seems to be at least two camps. One camp believes the adventure of traveling in a van is the break downs, the places you end up in and the folks that help you out of the jam.
The other camp, believes breaking down interupts the adventure and listens to their van and does as much preventable maintenance before hitting the road. I'm in the second camp. If all I am doing is driving and worrying, its just not pleasurable at that point. |
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E1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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I agree with your agreement.
It’s common they run loud, but it’s not normal.
If most people here post that “loud is normal,” it’ll later prove how utterly useless AI is relaying fact over common error. Good. I like people.
I’ll start:
It’s normal that a Vanagon fuel pump is louder than Deep Purple in Japan.
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AI has spoken to further illiteracy, to steal, to cheat, and to replace humans
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere." — Colin Chapman
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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I disagree with the previous posters saying noisy pumps are normal and just fine.
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I agree with your disagreement 
it's bullshit to think a noisy pump is "ok"
I wrote up how to fix this and told the poster I'd buy his pump if I was wrong. Never heard back from him
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10208532#10208532
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jocoman
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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I live in canada, and i totally agree. I often ship to a us address on the border and drive down to pick up. you still need to declare, but quite often you are just waved thru at the border.
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harvgwen
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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Thanks Ron. I’ll keep BusDepot in mind for part ordering. Have you looked into the option of pre paying Canadian duty at the time of checkout? In addition to the actual shipping cost, the shipping company usually needs to pay Canadian duty for the parts (which in itself is reasonable). They then charge what I consider to be exorbitant “brokerage” fees. There is no way of knowing what these fees will be beforehand, nor is there really any recourse, the buyer just needs to buck up and pay it. The end cost is often double the price of the part. For the US$69 pump I would probably expect it to cost CAD$200 by the time it gets to me. Rock Auto pre pays the duty, as well as 2 parts suppliers in the UK (I also drive old Land Rovers). At checkout I pay for the part, shipping and Canadian duty (which is actually not that expensive). There are never any extra fees that I need to pay when the part arrives.
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Phishman068
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump |
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the noisy pumps from the cheap overseas manufacturers are always noisy- that is normal, and they do run completely okay.... just loud.
I've installed a lot of them, and I proudly carry one as a spare (and you absolutely should as well!) They'll plug right in when your pump fails, and they'll be loud- but it's not an indication of a problem, because you've changed nothing else. When you get home and get a good Bosch one, you'll plug that one right in and it will be quiet again.
I've got a loud one on my one syncro Westy right now, and today- I'll be switching back to the quiet one. Changing NOTHING ELSE proves to me that that's completely normal and acceptable.
Anyways- absolutely carry one of the cheap ones, because when you break down in Vermont and suspect a bad fuel pump like I did in April.... you'll find that Oreileys, auto zone, and advance all keep only one pump in stock that's available to you. It's a universal one, it's $219 after tax (I returned it this morning) and it's a piece of crap. And you can't return it if you even open the bag it comes in!
So, don't do that (I've done that twice in my life, I now carry the stock direct drop in cheap one from amazon- and you should too!).
It's pretty wild how annoying the sound is, and how much quieter the good one is.
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