Did Hebmullers ever have an Oval dash?

[email protected] · Samba Member Joined: June 11, 2002 Posts: 30

Hello, I was wondering if Hebmullers ever had a Oval window dash, and how about little holes in the engine lid were the plates go on? Almost like vent holes for the engine. If anyone has a ton of hebmuller info that would be great. Thanks
-Jim

[email protected] · Samba Member Joined: November 10, 2002 Posts: 4

Yes Hebmuller made some cars with an Oval dash. Possibly as many as 12. After the Hebmuller factory ceased to exist the Karmann factory finished off the initial Hebmuller order and finished poss 12 cars. There is a '51 Hebmuller out there Brought over from Europe by Albert Beale, restored in Germany that had the split dash removed and Replaced with an oval dash as they thought is was the wrong dash, even though all the wiring looked to be original where it connected to the zwitter dash components, that car will soon be receiving a correct dash. I have never seen any holes where the license plate goes and I have have numerious reference photos, and a Car in the garage for reference.
A.J.S.

Oldbugss · Samba Member Joined: November 26, 2002 Posts: 12

Very interesting. I thought the pics I have of a local Hebmuller was just a slapped together freik of leftover parts. I was shocked as to how little attention this car was getting. A Heb in the Midwest is rare indeed. I hope I can find this guy again....
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peter schepens · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: hebs with oval dash?

I must recall Andy on this one , Sorry dude
He say that they made at least 12 hebs with Oval dashes....
Never ever...as fas as I know.

All the hebmullers and also the one made by Karmann in 53 are made original with Splitwindow dashes.
I have contacted several people and there is nobody that knows a heb with oval dash. In Bad camberg meeting in 99 was there the black and red Heb that was made by Karmann and was verry original. The car appeared last summer in Holland complete restored and looks fine with that split dash.

The one mentioned above, that came from Germany is not known by me . Is there anybody who owns a pict and or the bodynumber??
I whould like to have one , real or picts.. Rolling Eyes

Thanks.
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Hebster52 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:15 am Post subject:

14 of the 15 cars assembled by Karmann after Hebmüller factory closed down used the Hebmuller made bodies with splitdashs. According to my sources the one and only made in 1953 had in fact oval dash... Rolling Eyes

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bro2539 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:22 am Post subject:

i have personally seen a heb with an oval dash. i was told by the owner that someone replaced it with the oval dash long before he had it, but i have heard since that their was a few made with oval dashes. i have my picture next to it, but unfortunatly, i did not take a picture of the dash, because i thought it was wrong. i believe the guy lived in arkansas, and i saw it at the nacadoches,tx show in 2001 or 2002. i will post the pic, it may have a good shot of the tag number. it was dark red/off white.

Bruce · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:39 am Post subject:

I gotta go with the "never an oval dash" camp on this one. When I personally laid eyes on the last Heb ever made in 91 at the Karmann collection, I would have noticed an oval dash. I maybe have pics.

Hebster52 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:47 am Post subject:

Bruce, do you know what bodynumber the one you saw had?

I can look through my papers and check which bodynumber the one I refered to that might have the ovaldash. I think I have the number somewhere so I have to check that up.
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Bruce · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:57 am Post subject:

Don't know the body #. Our tour guide just said it was the last Heb made. Made by Karmann.
Since the last Heb made was assembled in 53 by Karmann, I assumed this to be it.
The point of Karmann building the car was to finish a car started by Hebmuller. All Hebs were started long before the oval dash appeared.

Skim · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject:

mbugz60 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject:

Don Garies' heb was a hack job, it's anybody's guess if anything is original on that car.
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Skim · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject:

I'll never forget the time it debuted at the Ennis Bug In after it was...Ahem...***freshly restored*** and they had the back bumper brackets on the front and the front bumper sat out almost a foot.
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mbugz60 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject:

Skim · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject:

I remember they were the rear bumper brackets because they were 3 layers thick.
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bro2539 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject:

no, it wasnt Don's. i feel sorry for what that old man had to go through with that car. he got burned on that one.....the one i saw was a darker red and im 100% positive it had an oval dash. i dont know if it was original or not, but it had it.

mbugz60 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject:

53 0val · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject:

Hebster52 · Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:13 am Post subject:

Checked the bodynumbers this morning.

The last one built in 1953 had the bodynumber 14-0730, which isn't the highest bodynumber know for that matter. The highest known is 14-0735 and was the last (and only car)assambled by Hebmüller in 1951. The bodynumbers weren't given in the same order as the finished car. Especially in the end...

By some sources the last one built in 1953 did have ovaldash and by others not. I have no proof of what is correct, but if you think that the bodies were modified in one productionline by numbers then the -53 probably would have had splitdash too since the bodynumber 735 was assambled already in -51.... Rolling Eyes

BTW. Don's car had the bodynumber 14-0006 and was indeed a jiggsaw puzzle but anyways I'd say that those who say it was crappy restored are just jealous and would find faults in just about any mint condition Vintage car... Mad

Wrong bumperbrakets dont kill yoú they just look ugly... Wink

May Don Rest in Peace... He had a lot of knowledge regarding early Hebs that was lost when he pasted away.. Don't know how or where his car is now. Crying or Very sad

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The 912ST
The KidVRod project
The 356 Pre-A replica,SOLD
The 1966 Kommanderwagen, SOLD

mbugz60 · Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:53 am Post subject:


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