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Junkyardjockey Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:54 am Post subject: Pros & cons on installing lightweight flywheel on '74 su |
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Hello! I need to buy a clutch kit, and I see car craft has a kit with a light flywheel inc for $100. I know some advantages of a light flywheel, but are there any disadvantages? Thanks! |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Pros & cons on installing lightweight flywheel on '7 |
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Junkyardjockey wrote: |
.... are there any disadvantages? |
None that I have noticed. _________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
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Junkyardjockey Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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OK thank you Bruce! |
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Northof49 Samba Member

Joined: July 22, 2013 Posts: 1759 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Heavier flywheels make it easier to start the vehicle in motion from a stop, by storing more enertia. _________________ 1958 Karmann Ghia owner |
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OLD VW NUT Samba Member

Joined: February 23, 2011 Posts: 2776 Location: High Desert of Washington 98823
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Lighter flywheels can affect idle. The heavier the flywheel the more you can turn the idle down. _________________ 71 Ghia Coupe - stock body - no rust! Powered by a 2110 W/Dual HPMX 44's - Rancho Pro Street Transaxle - A/C by Gilmore
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Kiptere Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, I heard they give real jerky starts for a daily driver. _________________ 62 Bug
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Joel Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Does it say what weight the flywheel is?
Unless you live in a totally flat area with no hills leave the original if your engine is stock.
The lighter flywheel lets it rev out quicker so you will get acceleration improvement but it will lose momentum on hills much quicker and when you take your foot off the gas will slow down quicker than normal too.
THey are more suited to modified engines where power loss on hills isn't as noticeable.
I have a 12lb on my 1776 and wouldn't wanna go any lighter than that. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79831 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Pros & cons on installing lightweight flywheel on '7 |
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Junkyardjockey wrote: |
a kit with a light flywheel inc for $100. |
That cheap means its a cast flywheel. Your stock one is forged and much stronger.
Cheap cast flywheels can come apart. _________________ Glenn
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Kiptere wrote: |
Yea, I heard they give real jerky starts for a daily driver. |
Only if you're just learning how to use a clutch. _________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk..... |
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[email protected] Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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light flywheels drive fine, IF
1) the driver is not a novice
2) the engine is properly tuned
If the car bucks, the driver is unskilled, or the engine tune sucks.
On properly tuned engines with drivers that know what they are doing, light flywheels have no downside and are wonderful. _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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Junkyardjockey Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:07 am Post subject: |
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updated info here:
A few weeks ago I had my entire rotating assy. balanced, and I added a forged chromoly stock stroke & journal CW crank, and forged chromoly rods. Now to re-ask my original question, should I still stick to a stock weight 8 dowel flywheel for a stock daily driver, or use my new lightened 8 dowel flywheel? Thanks again guys!
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:10 am Post subject: |
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I'd stay STOCK. _________________ Glenn
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Junkyardjockey Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:25 am Post subject: |
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OK thanks Glenn! You helped me make up my mind! Now what flywheel material should I use? |
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Junkyardjockey Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Just checked CIP1, no stock weight 8 dowel flywheel...still looking.... |
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Junkyardjockey Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:50 am Post subject: |
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wow....only vendor I saw that sells new stock weight 8 dowel flywheels is ACN; is there anyone else? Is a DPR chrome vanadium flywheel ok?? |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Junkyardjockey wrote: |
.. I added a forged chromoly stock stroke & journal CW crank, |
The crank you are using has more rotational inertia than stock due to it's heavier weight. Because of this, I would lighten the flywheel a bit to get the entire rotating mass back down to stock. _________________
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Busdriver79 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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With a heavier flywheel you won't lose speed as quickly on a grade or a hill as you will with a light flywheel....you can have any competent machine shop drill the extra holes in your stock forged flywheel for a small fee...heavy flywheels are the way to go on the street...light flywheels are primarily for racing...they get old quick...I'm speaking from experience, but not with a VW, but with a small block Chevy...light flywheels are a real pain in stop and go traffic...a heavy flywheel launches a heavy car nicely and is more relaxing to drive overall...my 2 cents is to get the stock flywheel drilled and use that. |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member

Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2557 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Busdriver79 wrote: |
With a heavier flywheel you won't lose speed as quickly on a grade or a hill as you will with a light flywheel....you can have any competent machine shop drill the extra holes in your stock forged flywheel for a small fee...heavy flywheels are the way to go on the street...light flywheels are primarily for racing...they get old quick...I'm speaking from experience, but not with a VW, but with a small block Chevy...light flywheels are a real pain in stop and go traffic...a heavy flywheel launches a heavy car nicely and is more relaxing to drive overall...my 2 cents is to get the stock flywheel drilled and use that. |
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awreed Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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This is seriously funny to me. So, JunkYardJockey, have you decided yet or are you sorry you asked?
-Heavier flywheels give better launches from a stop.
-Lighter flywheels rev up quicker.
-With heavier flywheels you won't lose speed as quickly on hills, but you need to reduce the weight of your rotational inertia.
-Lighter flywheels affect idle.
-Glenn, who likes just about everything stock, says go heavy, and he certainly knows his shit.
-Bruce is very knowledgeable as well and says go light.
-Joel says no lighter than 12lbs on a 1776.
So basically do whatever the hell you want and don't worry about it. |
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Junkyardjockey Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I will stick with a 8 dowel stock weight flywheel. I was hoping to get some input regarding my impending use of a counterweighted crank & a stock weight flywheel (being TOO heavy), but that didn't happpen. Do you care to give your opinion about that? Thanks!
Ken
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