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Kwoggy Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2012 Posts: 45 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:08 am Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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I bought the bushing for a 1970 Bay window Bus. As mentioned above, the part doesn't fit and is a complete waste of money. Compare it to the cheap ones currently on the market and you will see how much smaller the part is. I reached out about a refund and have yet to hear anything. _________________ 1970 Bus |
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Kwoggy Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2012 Posts: 45 Location: Ventura County
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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I was refunded my money. I think some modification may be needed to the shift rod to accept the bushing. I may attempt this at a later date but I have already boogered mine trying to get it on and off. _________________ 1970 Bus |
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Bus boy 89 Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2022 Posts: 39 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| Kwoggy wrote: |
| I was refunded my money. I think some modification may be needed to the shift rod to accept the bushing. I may attempt this at a later date but I have already boogered mine trying to get it on and off. |
You’re lucky, all i got was “we’ll look into it” and when I approached the subject of a refund i was ghosted 😐 |
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DesertSasquatchXploration Samba Member

Joined: April 16, 2021 Posts: 1031
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| Blows my mind how people refuse to accept real fact Delrin is crap. It was a big deal in the early 2000's in the medical device field it failed!! But it re-surfaced as a new age material for automotive... We had thousands of lawsuits using DuPont materials because of (shedding). It wears out quicker then a tinder girlfriend. |
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jimmyhoffa Samba Member

Joined: February 16, 2014 Posts: 1200 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:29 am Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| DesertSasquatchXploration wrote: |
| Blows my mind how people refuse to accept real fact Delrin is crap. It was a big deal in the early 2000's in the medical device field it failed!! But it re-surfaced as a new age material for automotive... We had thousands of lawsuits using DuPont materials because of (shedding). It wears out quicker then a tinder girlfriend. |
Yeah I have not seen anything super exemplary out of it performance-wise for abrasion, but I will say that I made a batch of 1.5" roll cage wire clips out of it and a few other non-exotic plastics to try, and I've yet to find anything as cheap as Delrin with that good of creep resistance. The glass fiber stuff is even better but it kills endmills if you're making a bunch of a thing, like roll cage wire clips.
Somebody just needs to get the attention of IGUS or something to make the end-all be-all of shift rod bushings. They make a lot of things that are awfully close to the shape of a shift rod bushing....  _________________ 1974 Chenowth 2RL #1244 Street Legal
My other car isn't ridiculous. |
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Vanapplebomb Samba Member

Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 5572 Location: Holland, MI
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:16 am Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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Igus sells bar stock of many of their engineered plastics. Igus Iglide T500 is a bit on the pricy side, but excellent for sliding/pivoting, and is REALLY tough stuff. There are less expensive options as well that will last a long time in that application. I just happen to have the most experience with T500. _________________ 1800 Type 4 Berrien 295
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gtixpress Samba Member

Joined: June 22, 2006 Posts: 322 Location: Mahomet, IL
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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Has anyone used these Delron bushings in a Type 3? I thought I would give it a shot, however it doesn't fit. The Type 3 bracket has a radiused edge on it (front) which interferes with the bushing sitting flush and preventing it from locking in. Also makes it sit crooked. Are there any issues with mounting it in reverse, from the backside of the bracket (which puts the thick part of bushing on the backside)? Wasn't sure how much vertical force was put on this bushing since it would be going to the thin side. There is also the option of sanding down the thick part of the bushing to fit as well. For being advertised to fit a Type 3, kind of annoying that I have to do this.
_________________ Joe P.
1969 VW Type 3 Squareback
2002 VW GTI 337 (Limited Edition)
2018 VW Atlas SE VR6 4Motion
2019 VW Beetle S Final Edition Convertible |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 23326 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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I have not seen any issues with Delrin on parts like this.....as long as the lateral force is not heavy....and....if you are using the correct Delrin for the application. Delrin is not just delrin.
Also, bear in mind, Delrin is a brand name. There are numerous manufacturers of acetal plastics in a wider range and in some cases better quality than DuPont product.
While it's not the PERFECT plastic for this application, if it's the right version/formulation it should have no problems.
A decent nylon would be ideal.
And of course.....speaking of Igus which is a bearing manufacturer....you could just as easily pick up a rod of Torlon 4301 and have a bushing machined that would probably last forever. Torlon 4301 is one of the main plastics that Igus uses. Graphite filled Torlon. But it would be $$$.
Ray
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Vanapplebomb Samba Member

Joined: November 03, 2010 Posts: 5572 Location: Holland, MI
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:37 am Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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Torlon is amazing stuff. But, you’re right, very expensive. Last project we used it on, I believe it was close to $2000 for 2’ of 2” diameter round stock.  _________________ 1800 Type 4 Berrien 295
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=487021
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 23326 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:47 am Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| Vanapplebomb wrote: |
Torsion is amazing stuff. But, you’re right, very expensive. Last project we used it on, I believe it was close to $2000 for 2’ of 2” diameter round stock.  |
Yep....but where else would you find a "plastic" that is good for a CONSTANT temp of 500* F, is chemically inert to anything we might use in a car. It has flexural modulus that is 2X, compression strength 4X and a coefficient of friction that is about equal to a similar to a PTFE "filled' Delrin.
Hard to beat that set of characteristics.
Although it should be said that the graphite filled Torlon 4301 I am talking about above is actually more than required for this exact application (the shift rod bushing). There is not enough weight and load in the shift rod to require the graphite.
For most things I have used Torlon 4302 (electrical grade). Its moderately harder and slightly slicker. Its a bit cheaper than the 4301 graphite filled.
Also, some of these are extruded and some are injection molded. Different grain and density and it makes a price difference. Ray |
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leefriedmann Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2024 Posts: 1 Location: Folsom CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| I just placed a Delrin shift bushing into my 68 beetle and the shift rod won’t fit. I lined up the rod and was able to push it in about an inch or to, but no further? Any ideas as to why or what I can do? |
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chrisflstf Samba Member

Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 4175 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| Did you fit the bushing to the shift rod with the rod out of the car first, to check it? |
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vamram  Samba Member

Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 8139 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:01 am Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| leefriedmann wrote: |
| I just placed a Delrin shift bushing into my 68 beetle and the shift rod won’t fit. I lined up the rod and was able to push it in about an inch or to, but no further? Any ideas as to why or what I can do? |
Make sure the rod is going in straight and not hanging on one of the cable runners in the tunnel. You could pop a mounting bracket for the clutch or accelerator cables is you're not careful.
Borrowed from the gallery:
_________________ "Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition
to put moral chains upon their own appetites. -Edmund Burke
“If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.”
Stop Russian-Soviet Aggression!!
'74 Super 9/16 - present, in refurb process.
'73 Super - 6/18 - Present - Daily Driver!
'75 Super Le Grande...languishing since 2022.
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nogoodwithusernames Samba Member

Joined: November 10, 2014 Posts: 659 Location: CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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It should also be noted that you can also get some of the IGUS materials in 3D printer filament/powder for those that have access to that.
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| Vanapplebomb wrote: |
Torsion is amazing stuff. But, you’re right, very expensive. Last project we used it on, I believe it was close to $2000 for 2’ of 2” diameter round stock.  |
Yep....but where else would you find a "plastic" that is good for a CONSTANT temp of 500* F, is chemically inert to anything we might use in a car. It has flexural modulus that is 2X, compression strength 4X and a coefficient of friction that is about equal to a similar to a PTFE "filled' Delrin.
Hard to beat that set of characteristics.
Although it should be said that the graphite filled Torlon 4301 I am talking about above is actually more than required for this exact application (the shift rod bushing). There is not enough weight and load in the shift rod to require the graphite.
For most things I have used Torlon 4302 (electrical grade). Its moderately harder and slightly slicker. Its a bit cheaper than the 4301 graphite filled.
Also, some of these are extruded and some are injection molded. Different grain and density and it makes a price difference. Ray |
_________________ 71 Squareback, 1.7l T4 w/ crank trigger fuel and spark
(Conversion thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=732508&highlight= or https://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=151375&sid=f0542d44a322d290c29d6609fac7f215 )
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wheel607 Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 1878
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| Now that you have pissed all over the Delrin, and it seems like that is the only part available now, what would you use to correct a situation that plagues every VW driver. |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33338 Location: Hot Arizona
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DesertSasquatchXploration Samba Member

Joined: April 16, 2021 Posts: 1031
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| Started the VW life 9 years ago first thing I replaced was the bushing with one from the local parts guy used Mobil 1 red synthetic wheel bearing grease 90K later its still perfectly fine. Its a problem that doesn't exist. If your shift rod has burs and damage that will cut and wear the bushing premature that's your issue not the bushing. |
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vamram  Samba Member

Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 8139 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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Bag the delrin, use this one.
https://www2.cip1.com/c24-111-701-259-akit/ _________________ "Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition
to put moral chains upon their own appetites. -Edmund Burke
“If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.”
Stop Russian-Soviet Aggression!!
'74 Super 9/16 - present, in refurb process.
'73 Super - 6/18 - Present - Daily Driver!
'75 Super Le Grande...languishing since 2022.
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Save the Supers!! |
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EVfun  Samba Member

Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 6294 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| Cusser wrote: |
| wheel607 wrote: |
| what would you use to correct a situation that plagues every VW driver. |
"plagues every VW driver" ?????
In 52 years with my 1970 VW, and 48 years with my 1971 Super VW, I've replaced the shift bushing in each exactly once each.
I would use regular shift bushing #111701259A https://www.chirco.com/shift-rod-bushing-vw-bug-beetle-1946-1979/
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I'll light the crew up even more... I ditch the stupid retaining ring that is supposed to go around that that bushing. Why do I want to force the bushing to rotate in the narrow hanger when I move between 1-2 and 3-4?
When replacing the bushing make sure the inside of that hanger hole it fits in is smooth, and lubricate the bracket groove in the bushing. It can rotate there too with the stock design. Make sure the entire shift rod is cleaned up and rust free before shoving it through the bushing so abrasive crap doesn't end up in there.
I prefer the older VW all metal design used on the '59 and '57 I owned, but replacements of that style don't seem to be available. Neither of those ever needed replacing! _________________
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Nacho_74 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2018 Posts: 86 Location: Norwalk,California
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:14 am Post subject: Re: New Delrin Shift Rod Bushing |
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| I wonder if it will slip on a bus shift rod that has the bend in it? |
Yes it will...I had to open up the ID a bit with some 800 grit sand paper just to free up the movement a bit but it works great! |
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