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Snoop Bob · Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:37 am Post subject:

Mark,

I have contacted him and he is having a 25 plate made up for me for my missing airbox plate. It does not appear he stamps them and just sends them as seen in the photos. There are some inconsistancies with the font and reverse stamping but all in all it looks like a good stand in.

I applaud Gerson for doing the right thing. If you don't know what the actual VIN is or was. If you know and you are just trying to right the situation, that's a different story. Making one up is not the way to go. Remember, your character is measured by what you do when no one is looking. Before everyone gets all up and up, that in no way reflects my opinion of any previous posters. It's just an ideal to live by. Have a great day.
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porsche130 · Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: 59 DC

Snoop Bob · Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject:

Are you saying there is still a VIN stamped on the bus? If that is the case, I don't see an issue.
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Gerson · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:31 am Post subject:

Porsche130, I guess, I was stupid and naive to think that the person selling me this bus would honest enough to point out to me that the bus did not have a VIN plate, like I said, stupid me for believing everyone is an honest "joe"....but hey, you live and learn.....and yes you are right, Tim tore into the truck, and did not bother to check himself, I guess he's naive enough to believe that something as obvious as the VIN would still be on the bus.......
the bus does have a number stamping on the right side rear engine tin, and the bus does have a title matching those numbers.....but like I said before, I am not dumping a shitload of money on a vehicle that does not have an Mcode plate, or a VIN plate.........this bus is now a very expensive donor bus.......important note to self, MAKE SURE the next project bus you buy has a VIN, and an Mcode plate before you make the deal........
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BulletBus · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:06 am Post subject:

Just a note on this subject, I have registered two buses based on the frame stamping in the engine compartment. Those numbers were all that were available. If the bus isn't stollen and you have a bill of sale I don't see what the issue is. The first one, a policeman came out and verified the number as required by GA DMV and the other, the DMV clerk came out and verified it as per FL DMV regulations. No issues on either one and all is good.
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Gerson · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:21 am Post subject:

the issue is not one of being able to title the vehicle, or is the vehicle legal or not.....the issue is one of desirability, I am not going to restore a vehicle that does not have the actual VIN plate and the actual Mcode plate....at the end of the day, these vehicles are also a big investment....
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blackdog1999 · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:52 am Post subject:

Gerson,

Just a thought but have the area between the nose skin & the inner support checked. I alway find cool stuff down there. Also the 67 poptop westy I am working on had both hiding down inside of there. Not likely to find them but it is worth a shot.
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KEROUACTIVIST · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: 59 D/C

I wholly agree with Gerson regarding--resale value--as an investment I see where He is coming from--can this truck be made into a show truck by Tim? ABSOLUTELY--is the time & $$$ invested going to net the desired selling price considering the vin issue? questionable---why dont we keep a thread on the work done-- Tim does it in His own Time--renegotiates with Gerson on the $$ issue and We hold an auction??? Im sure anyone would be happy to have a truck that Tim restored--the investor is lookin for originality and documentation--a Bus lover will be thrilled to have a quality resto done by (in my opinion) the premeir VW Bus restorer on the East Coast!! anyway You look @ it, Gerson & Tim are TOPNOTCH, honest Men who are not afraid to tackle a project, back up their work and above all present themselves and their product honestly--I think that speaks volumes about them and the bussinesses they run!
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j.pickens · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:16 am Post subject:

I fully understand where Gerson is coming from, and it is his decision.
However, if the bus has its original VIN stamping, and matching title, then its value would be affected very, very little, in my opinion.
Especially if a birth certificate was obtained from the VW museum confirming that the bus was indeed a double cab.
Only a concours level show bus, or a bus with very unique options would be significantly affected by the lack of ID plates.

But, if someone is putting up the money and parts to rebuild a really rusty bus, as this is, I could certainly understand the decision to pick a better candidate at the beginning.

The good news for Gerson is that the VIN and title means that someone else who is willing to take the project on will buy this bus. If the VIN weren't present, THEN you'd have a worthless bus. This isn't.
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my65vert · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:32 am Post subject:

WWMRD?????
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Snoop Bob · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject:

Gerson · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject:

fuck it, after giving it much thought, and talking things over with Tim, among others, I have decided to move forward with the project..... I am not really thrilled to have a bus without ID tags, but what the hell, it's got a VIN # and a title, I guess it's going to have to do for now, I'll work on getting a reproduction VIN plate made, and hopefully someone will step up and return the Mcode plate..... shit, maybe someone out there has the original VIN plate sitting in a drawer somewhere and will come up with that also....besides, there is no way in hell we will make Bulli unless we go "balls out" from now until November....no more drama from me... Mad

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Snoop Bob · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject:

Major Woody · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject:

I think it was a good decision. The extra hassle of coming up with the plate is a bummer, but it isn't as though the truck was stolen or anything. And it's going to be common knowledge that the truck was reconstructed from nearly nothing, so I don't see how the lack of original VIN plate changes that picture.

I look forward to seeing the progress on the truck!

DownRiver · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject:

I'm glad to see you're moving forward.

This build is being put out there for everyone to see, it's not like you're trying to pass off a shady deal. In the end, everything will be legal, and the craftsmanship from both sides will stand on it's own.

I'll be watching.
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Saint76 · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject:

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nice and now back to our regulary scheduled program!!


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