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 Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:32 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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Nope. Roof is correct. Check the areas surrounded with yellow and compare them with the photos that I posted, there is a piece of canvas that covers the otherwise exposed staples and wood bow:
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| Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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Looks like that section is different in the earlier ones. On mine it is wrapped with the headliner material. on yours it is a fold of the cover material. The staples for that probably end up hidden the fold and under the cover.
That's a detail none of my photos show. Nice that you've captured it.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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Nicholas,
Would you post photos of yours? In my opinion that's a choice of the guy making the top. Headliner material is light in color usually, and that makes it easy to get dirty, because exactlty that part is in contact with the window frame and I bet no one wipes clean the frame before closing the top. I've seen a lot of tops, original and restored and never seen that part wraped in headliner material.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:50 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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Yes, sure. Mind you my description earlier was unclear 'cos I was going by memory of a task completed 8 years ago. These photos are of that section being installed.
So the middle section is stapled in with lots of foam along the wood to pad the contact line at the top of the windscreen. Its done in a way to overlap the headliner wrap in my earlier photos.
You can see the overlap in this photo. There's a section being cut out for the Hooks.
This is where the staple lines go and you can see the card reinforcement in the outer corner.
All of that gets hidden by the cover plate wrapped in headliner and the chrome covers around the hook exits.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:30 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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Well it's done in the very same way. Probably your previous description wasn't that clear. Anyway, your top look fabulous as any top should looks like. Every time a do a Karmann convertible top the feeling is like you making a nice dress for a beautiful woman, the dress only highilight the curvy lines of her body.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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| Disc wrote: |
| Well it's done in the very same way. Probably your previous description wasn't that clear. Anyway, your top look fabulous as any top should looks like. Every time a do a Karmann convertible top the feeling is like you making a nice dress for a beautiful woman, the dress only highilight the curvy lines of her body. |
I’m confused by that first bit. (Agree with the rest though). Your car has that row of exposed staples. My car and that brown one have the staples hidden under a fold of outer material. Despite that all three are done differently. The brown one has a separate piece to hide the staples, where mine is a continuous piece and both are positioned to finish under the cover piece.
Do you see something different?
Nicholas.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:49 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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That's not my car. That is a Obus photo of his car that I edited to show the areas where the staples are exposed and where to look generaly to see the difference between my photos (Fontana grey car with dark beige roof) anf his car (brick red, sorry don't know the name of the color and black top.) Again, 3 photos of the previous page, my car:
Then edited by me , his photo of his car (his original photo from the last page does not have the yellow markings).
So basicaly you roof and mine are the same, with only one difference that you used one continuous piece insted 3 pieces. But there is are reason for my decision. One continuous piece, cutted around the hooks leave material right where later the chromed covers must be installed, so adding some bulk on a place where is critical. I see that you used an restored original front wooden bow. That's the best scenario! For over 50 tops that I made throught the years I was able to salvage only very few original bow. Then you deal with repro bows - synthetic or wooden. Often they are shaped much like the original ones but that is deceiving, because when you start messing with them you find a critical differences - fit to the top frame, fit to the metal window frame, fit of the top latching mechanism, general shape of the front most part and so on. But lets not forget that very area where chromed covers are mounted - often very different also. And you need to make enought room for the covers to be mounted flush so they don't tounch the window frame once the top is latched in place. So my previous experience tells me not leave bulk material on that spot  , that's why 3 pieces instead ot one continuous piece.
In the process of fitting that very top in my photos I found the best (so far) repro front bow and made few photos with intention to start a topic for that and I still be doing that these days. Spoiler alert - it's synthetic one by West Coast Metrics.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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I appreciate the clarification. Whose car was whose was getting hard to follow Thanks.
Yes mine is the original bow. I would have to say the cabriolet roof is one of the most difficult and costly parts of the restoration. Not many end up looking and sitting perfectly on the frame, but when they do the car looks fabulous.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:30 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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| obus, can you park the Ghia outside today (sunny forecast, low 70's) with the rear window fully in the sunlight? It may be enough to warm up the plastic and reduce the waviness. If you have a large piece of black cardboard or a dark blue towel, you can prop it up gently against the window at the inside so that the sun heats up the dark color and might press out some of the waves more. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:43 am Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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| So i had the roof down for a month.... |
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| ... convertible tops need to be up when parked,.... |
That "up when parked" advice was related to a discussion about canvas shrinkage, but by extension could be deemed applicable to preservation of the plastic window as well.  |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 Paprika Red Ghia in New Jersey "Schatze" |
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My experience with the same design visors on my '64 are that the visors pull off the chrome posts. I've never fully removed the retaining screws from the visors; just a loosening up is sufficient to unclamp them from the posts. The posts are firmly attached to the mirror base and don't come off. You can feel where the visor fits best on the posts to tighten the screw, so that the visor still stays up on its own instead of flopping down when you let go of it.
Moogie32's photo of an original '63 mirror+visor set-
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