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FAT KUDA
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 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: changing the fan belt |
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is there a special tool for type 3's to change the belt ? im up for any suggestions ive looked  for some sort of wrench w/ an off set and skinnt enough so i can get another wrench in there, im about to  grind and tweek a wrench to do the trick, any sugg....come with 'em  |
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Russ Wolfe
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Early t-3 wheel bearing wrench works.
http://classicvw.org/gallery/special_tools/wrench
But then again, I usually just pull the generator and slip the belt off and on.
Remove the clamp strap, tilt the generator, slip the belt off.
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FAT KUDA
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u know i was so pissed off that i didnt even think of that.  riite on. hey is there a site that has type 3 cheome engine tins. its funny i love this square, finding out more how to work on it, but also finding parts aren't so easy to come acrss as a type 1... |
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Russ Wolfe
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24mm and 21mm
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Russ Wolfe
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I don't think you can buy "new" Type 3 chrome tin but that's a good thing because all new chrome tin is junk. If you want chrome tin, chrome some original German engine tin so it's good quality.
Of course it will cost more that way. |
Someon on the vwtype3.org mail list, a few years ago had an engine that had chrome tin when he got it. The engine ran hot. He experimented, and found that with the non glossy OG black paint ran the coolest. The chrome tin seems to reflect the heat back in on to the engine.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: changing the fan belt |
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| is there a special tool for type 3's to change the belt ? im up for any suggestions ive looked for some sort of wrench w/ an off set and skinnt enough so i can get another wrench in there, im about to grind and tweek a wrench to do the trick, any sugg....come with 'em |
I built one like in the Muir book about 10 years ago. Mine is made out of 10 gage stainless steel, and works great. Prior to building one like Muir shows, I used an older model oil filter wrench to grab the outer edge of the pulley.  It worked ok, but the Muir wrench works better. 
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Russ Wolfe
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Just a note on T-3 generator pulleys, if you pull the generator out, you wont drop the shims down into the fan housing. BTDT
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| I use a 24mm crows foot wrench & 3/8" drive rachet to hold the center hub & a 13/16" wrench on the hex nut. I had to purchase the 24mm crows foot from snap-on tools, kinda pricy but works great. By the way does anyone have a source for the thin type wrenches use to adjust & tighten the front spindle nuts on pre '65 type 3's. |
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Russ Wolfe
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I have 2 sets, but I am not selling.
24mm, one offset, the other straight.
Check for Hazet, or Stawhille <sp>. They made the originals.
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Just a note on T-3 generator pulleys, if you pull the generator out, you wont drop the shims down into the fan housing. BTDT
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Everytime I go to change the belt I always get out my telescopic flexible magnet tool, because I will eventually need it.
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I've found it much easier to unbolt the gen strap and pull it forward to change the belt. You have more room if you need to adjust the shims, too. The telescoping magnetic wand is still good to have around  .
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Rome
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"I use a 24mm crows foot wrench & 3/8" drive rachet to hold the center hub & a 13/16" wrench on the hex nut. I had to purchase the 24mm crows foot from snap-on tools, kinda pricy but works great."
Same here, although I have a genuine VW/Hazet metric box-end wrench in 21mm size rather than the 13/16" for the nut.
Surprising that VW did not include some suitable tools, even if they were "basic" and stamped out of a flat piece of steel, in the on-board toolkit. My guess is that on the T3 the engine continues to run and cool properly, in contrast to the Beetle/T1 where if the belt breaks, you lose the engine cooling fan too. So with the high production numbers of the T3, lack of such tools would save a pretty penny/Deutschmark each year.
Bobnotch, I'll dig out my "Idiot" manual to see what tool the wise Mr. Muir conjured up. |
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Russ Wolfe
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Surprising that VW did not include some suitable tools, even if they were "basic" and stamped out of a flat piece of steel, in the on-board toolkit. My guess is that on the T3 the engine continues to run and cool properly, in contrast to the Beetle/T1 where if the belt breaks, you lose the engine cooling fan too. So with the high production numbers of the T3, lack of such tools would save a pretty penny/Deutschmark each year.
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Ahhh, but they did.
http://classicvw.org/gallery/partsbook/kscan_0004
Item 11 in this scan.
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Here is the type 3 generator pulley tool I made in desperation one evening when I first got my squareback. I worked so well, I haven't bothered replacing it with the correct tool.
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Gary
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My dad worked on VWs when they first came to this country. He used to take box end wrenches and heat them with his torch and bend as needed. Perhaps you could try that and make your own special tools. I have a box end wrench with a 10mm socket he braized into place that is used to remove the fan shround from a T1.
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| My dad worked on VWs when they first came to this country. He used to take box end wrenches and heat them with his torch and bend as needed. Perhaps you could try that and make your own special tools. I have a box end wrench with a 10mm socket he braized into place that is used to remove the fan shround from a T1. |
From behind the intake manifold. Wonder how many T1's ran for years with that bolt missing.
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| Icy wrote: |
| My dad worked on VWs when they first came to this country. He used to take box end wrenches and heat them with his torch and bend as needed. Perhaps you could try that and make your own special tools. I have a box end wrench with a 10mm socket he braized into place that is used to remove the fan shround from a T1. |
From behind the intake manifold. Wonder how many T1's ran for years with that bolt missing. |
I'm wondering what bolt that is?
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