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volksbugusa
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 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: Throw Out Bearing Clip Safety Wire |
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Just installed a new throw out bearing.
I want to make sure that the clips will not pop off the bearing.
I installed this safety wire.
The wire does not touch the bearing and shaft is any way .
The bearing also pivots without hitting the wire.
Not to many pictures on how to best install this wire....
So I am not sure if my install is done correctly.
Just want to make sure that this safety measure will not create a different problem.
Thank you for your input MATT
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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looks like the clips wont fall to the bottom of bell housing when they do pop off, but thats about it.
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Bruce
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I would have drilled the holes lower on the arms. You want to hold the clips in, not up.
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It will work... Time to move on ...
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clonebug
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Where would the bearing go if the clips DID fall out????
Unneeded as far as I can see.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I've had this happen. My bearing came off of one of the forks which rendered the clutch ineffective (and ruined the bearing). The pedal feel was such that I thought I'd broken the cable.
The clip got wedged behind the flat clutch springs, requiring me to construct a lever apparatus to compress the clutch while I fished out the clip with a magnet-on-a-stick.
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Where would the bearing go if the clips DID fall out????
Unneeded as far as I can see. |
The TO bearing falls off and lands on the input shaft. Then when you push the clutch pedal, it doesn't work right. Usually some parts are damaged in the process.
Unneeded for you now, but wait until it happens to you. Spending 5 min with some wire is certainly less work than pulling your engine when it happens. Stick around this board for a while, it happens much more than you think. It is part of the reason I NEVER use the early crappy type TO bearing.
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I have been driving and racing VW's since 1972 and I have never had a TO bearing clip fall off. I never used safety wire on them.
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| I have used hundreds if not thousands of early tob's and never had a single failure due to clips falling off. I'm not saying the later bearing is not supperior, just there is nothing wrong with an early if set up correct |
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Dale M.
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IF throw out bearings loose clips and falls off throwout arms and lands on input shaft, your clutch free play is adjusted incorrectly.... IF adjusted correctly there is not enough clearance (room) for it to fall off throwout forks...
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clonebug
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
IF throw out bearings loose clips and falls off throwout arms and lands on input shaft, your clutch free pay is adjusted incorrectly.... IF adjusted correctly there is not enough clearance (room) for it to fall off throwout forks...
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I agree!!!1
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| Dale M., just to cover it in a Bug you are suppost to have 1/2" to 1" of Pedal movement with your clutch pedal before ingagement? Been a while since I have seen the book on this, but this approach impliments what you are getting at.... Just making sure my measurement is not off.... RB |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| RailBoy wrote: |
| Dale M., just to cover it in a Bug you are suppost to have 1/2" to 1" of Pedal movement with your clutch pedal before ingagement? Been a while since I have seen the book on this, but this approach impliments what you are getting at.... Just making sure my measurement is not off.... RB |
My Haynes manual states 1/2 to 3/4 inch .... But then again when you think of length of clutch pedal and all the ratios involved (hook at pedal pivot and length of arm(s) in trans axle), if TB drops off pins, you can not be within adjustment tolerances because movement at actual TB is probably about 1/16- 3/32 at MOST (to contact) when free play is correct... The concept is to keep TB really close to, but not touching clutch cover springs (or ring) when not depressed...
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| I have used hundreds if not thousands of early tob's and never had a single failure due to clips falling off. |
The only way your claim can be true is if you've kept in contact with all those thousands of gearbox buyers over their car's whole lifetime. If the clips fell off a TO bearing on one of your gearboxes 5 years after you built it, why would the owner bother to call you up and whine about it? They'll just fix it and get on with life.
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| . I'm not saying the later bearing is not supperior, |
There must've been a reason VW went to all the trouble to do the redesign if the original design was so reliable.
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| there is nothing wrong with an early if set up correct |
And yet they do fall off.
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| As Volkswagen spent more time and effort coming up with the irs trans in 68-69( sooner than the late tob) you are also saying that all swing cars are junk and you would never work on one? VW used the early design tob for more than 30 years with no real problems, that is a fact, didn't mean to create an arguement just to state facts, not oppinions |
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sufidancer
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Throw Out Bearing Clip Safety Wire |
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I have a 67 trans with the early "U" shaped clips , are the clips that have a closed loop better or safer? Do they even work on early split trans or should I stay with factory U shaped clips?
I have the trans out and have and have a chance to put new clips in since these are probably original.
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rugblaster
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Throw Out Bearing Clip Safety Wire |
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The reason the early style clips started falling out is because the saddles the TO bearing rides in are worn out from 70 years of use. Add to that some shitty built Chinese junk and spring steel clips that aren't that springy and it is what it is. I don't know if I have ever seen a loopy one fail if properly installed.
The later model TO bearings and diaphragm clutch plates were a game changer.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Throw Out Bearing Clip Safety Wire |
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Geezus Christians! Why do you need all the wires in there? 
You people are overthingking this. I have never had one fall out of the groove. |
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