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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:35 pm    Post subject: rotor question Reply with quote

i have a 73 fasty, and looking for front rotors, my parts store i am going thru have the calipers for it, and they are listed as type 1 thru type 3 calipers, but as for the rotors, they are listed as 4 lug bug rotors, are these the same as the type 3 rotors?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, the only thing interchangeable with a bug on the 73 will be the wheel bearings.
The rotors are larger, the calipers are type 4/914 ones.
They were the same as Ghia up untill 71 1/2.

I converted my 1972 Square to the earlier spindles so I could use the much cheaper and easier to find stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have good used 67/71/72 rotors and calipers Here in North Eugene. PM me.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cfvwtuner wrote:
As far as I know, the only thing interchangeable with a bug on the 73 will be the wheel bearings.
The rotors are larger, the calipers are type 4/914 ones.
They were the same as Ghia up untill 71 1/2.

I converted my 1972 Square to the earlier spindles so I could use the much cheaper and easier to find stuff.



Actually the late type 3 rotors are "EARLY" type 4 rotors...that fit 411/914 to august of 1972 only....not after. Ray
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a pair of calipers, and it specified type 1 and type 3, they both looked like it, but the holes were WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off, the ones that came on there had a bolt spacing of 3" from center to center hole, and the ones i found were 2.25: center to center hole
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your 73 Type 3 uses part number 411 407 075 rotors.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you happen to know the caliper part number, and is there a difference from drivers side to passenger side?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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do you happen to know the caliper part number, and is there a difference from drivers side to passenger side?

Front left 311 615 107 B
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/partswap.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesome, thanks for the part numbers, it is a big help, i found a site called VW help,and its got a few part numbers, and the calipers i had said 67-3/73, and the numbers you provided said 71-73... i think thats a little weird
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the calipers you just bought are the early style (66 to 71), then the next are 72 & 73 (NLA). The bolt spacing is farther apart, along with a spindle change and a larger rotor. This is why when people ask about upgrading the "early" style disc brakes, it's first recommended to go to the "later" style. However, as you have found out, nobody carries the "late" calipers (other than a Porsche shop), and the rotors are hard to find as well. A friend of mine swapped to the early spindles just so he could get parts for his 72 Squareback. I know this is probably a step backward, but at least he can get parts. Rolling Eyes You could send your late calipers to Jim Adney for rebuilding IF you want.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bobnotch wrote:
Yeah, the calipers you just bought are the early style (66 to 71), then the next are 72 & 73 (NLA). The bolt spacing is farther apart, along with a spindle change and a larger rotor. This is why when people ask about upgrading the "early" style disc brakes, it's first recommended to go to the "later" style. However, as you have found out, nobody carries the "late" calipers (other than a Porsche shop), and the rotors are hard to find as well. A friend of mine swapped to the early spindles just so he could get parts for his 72 Squareback. I know this is probably a step backward, but at least he can get parts. Rolling Eyes You could send your late calipers to Jim Adney for rebuilding IF you want.



Where do you get that nobody carries the late T-3/early type 4 caliper?
I can find them all over the place. Rockauto have three diffenet brands of them ranging from $41 to $55.
These calipers fit a WIDE range of cars from volvo's to Saabs. Ray
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i heard that they are the same as the 914's?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raygreenwood wrote:
Bobnotch wrote:
Yeah, the calipers you just bought are the early style (66 to 71), then the next are 72 & 73 (NLA). The bolt spacing is farther apart, along with a spindle change and a larger rotor. This is why when people ask about upgrading the "early" style disc brakes, it's first recommended to go to the "later" style. However, as you have found out, nobody carries the "late" calipers (other than a Porsche shop), and the rotors are hard to find as well. A friend of mine swapped to the early spindles just so he could get parts for his 72 Squareback. I know this is probably a step backward, but at least he can get parts. Rolling Eyes You could send your late calipers to Jim Adney for rebuilding IF you want.



Where do you get that nobody carries the late T-3/early type 4 caliper?
I can find them all over the place. Rockauto have three diffenet brands of them ranging from $41 to $55.
These calipers fit a WIDE range of cars from volvo's to Saabs. Ray


Post up some part numbers, or the year and model they cross over with, so we can make a list for those who are looking for them.
Do you have a source for the late t-3/early t-4 rotor too?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for bringing that up bob, that would really be useful to know for future reference
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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411 407 075 Brake disc -~ from Ch. No. 3122000001


Quote:
311 615 107 B Caliper assembly left without brake pods
from Ch. No. 3122000001

311 615 108 B Caliper assembly right without brake pods
from Ch. No. 3122000001


They also show another caliper for an M594 M code. Has a 361 part number.
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