Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Proper dipstick for a 25hp
Forum Index -> Beetle - Split-Window/1938-53 VWs Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Splitdog
Samba Split Personality


Joined: February 16, 2004
Posts: 4135
Location: Planet VW
Splitdog is offline 

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Proper dipstick for a 25hp Reply with quote

What is the proper dipstick for a 25hp? I have 3 and they look alike but are different lengths.
_________________
CH³NO²

Z = z² + C

Der Blitzkrieg Kafers

#notacallooker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
johnshenry
Samba Member


Joined: September 21, 2001
Posts: 9407
Location: Northwood, NH USA
johnshenry is offline 

PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim already has his answer as I went out to the storage building last night in a thunderstorm to measure mine for him (!), but I'll post here for reference. I too noticed there were several different length dipsticks in 25 and 36 hp engines.

I believe the one in my '50 is correct. It measures 6 31/32" from the (sump end) tip to the bottom flange of the "hat" that goes over the top of the dipstick tube. So just a hair under 7"
_________________
John Henry

'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Splitdog
Samba Split Personality


Joined: February 16, 2004
Posts: 4135
Location: Planet VW
Splitdog is offline 

PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again, John. This man went out in the rain to measure this for me as I was wrapping up a problem on my car. Kudos!!
_________________
CH³NO²

Z = z² + C

Der Blitzkrieg Kafers

#notacallooker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
nlorntson
Crazy VW Lady


Joined: March 13, 2004
Posts: 3856
Location: Twin Cities, MN
nlorntson is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to add confusion, but I think the difference between a 36hp and 25 hp is the top part that holds the dipstick in the tube.

In these pictures the length is identical as are the position of the marks, but notice the length of the part below the "hat"

25hp is the silver one on top, 36hp is the one on the bottom. I'm not sure what the one in the middle is (maybe just broken off?) but it looks original.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Bruce
Samba Member


Joined: May 16, 2003
Posts: 17589
Location: Left coast, Canada
Bruce is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnshenry wrote:
It measures 6 31/32" from ....

Don't you have a metric ruler?
_________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote:
..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
janerick3
Samba Member


Joined: June 04, 2006
Posts: 1896
Location: Colorado
janerick3 is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Refinements shows the "dipstick tube located higher" on 7 June 1952, at Engine no. 1-0436414. This suggests a longer dipstick on later 25hp engines, so could the center dipstick may be correct for engines built before then?

For the 1960-only, red-handled 36hp dipstick (because the power train angle changed 2 degrees relative to the ground), Progressive Refinements only lists the changes in distance from the tip to the upper mark (from 44 to 40mm).
_________________
Thanks,
Jan K.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
nlorntson
Crazy VW Lady


Joined: March 13, 2004
Posts: 3856
Location: Twin Cities, MN
nlorntson is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The top one, came out of an August 49 engine. One identical to it came out of a rebuilt (in 1956) 25hp engine. The others came from different 36 HP engines.

I have one of those red handled ones and IIRC it's identical to the 36hp. I'll post up a picture.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Kais Collection Premium Member
vintage treasures


Joined: February 18, 2005
Posts: 1570
Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands
Kais Collection is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nlorntson wrote:
I have one of those red handled ones and IIRC it's identical to the 36hp. I'll post up a picture.

Here you can see the difference with a 'regular' 36hp:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=977401
_________________
Insta: @kaiscollectionvt
Fb: @KaisCollectionVT
Please check my ads: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=Kais+Collection

Kai's Collection - vintage treasures
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Facebook Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
nlorntson
Crazy VW Lady


Joined: March 13, 2004
Posts: 3856
Location: Twin Cities, MN
nlorntson is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nlorntson wrote:
I have one of those red handled ones and IIRC it's identical to the 36hp. I'll post up a picture.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


1960 at the top (left) compared to a 36hp one. They are identical design wise with the longer upper spring piece (as compared to the shorter 25hp version). Of course the marks on the 1960 version are about 4mm lower on the dipstick and the top is red.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
sweden
Samba Member


Joined: May 30, 2006
Posts: 239
Location: sweden
sweden is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Proper dipstick Reply with quote

Old post, but useful for future.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.



Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.



Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.



Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.



Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
Me and my sons cars Typ1 -49 -50 -51 -52 -52 -53 -53 -54 -55 -55 -56 -56 -57 -58 cab -64 cab
T3 TriStar airride with Audi 1,8T engine and Porsche 996 gearbox.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
ZENVWDRIVER
Samba Member


Joined: November 07, 2008
Posts: 3338
Location: N.E. Oklahoma
ZENVWDRIVER is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
johnshenry wrote:
It measures 6 31/32" from ....

Don't you have a metric ruler?


… do you have an American standard ruler?
_________________
5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

All super-heroes, wear a MASK
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
splitjunkie
Samba Member


Joined: April 04, 2006
Posts: 4202

splitjunkie is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Proper dipstick for a 25hp Reply with quote

60 dipstick on the left. 59 and earlier 36hp and 25hp on the right.
The engine angle was changed in '60 thus changing the oil level at the rear of the engine. The '60 dipstick has the marks lower to compensate for this. The '60 dipstick was red to make it stand out.



Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


There were differences in the hat and other details but as far as measuring the oil and '59 or earlier dipstick will work just fine.
_________________
Chris

You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
BulliBill
Samba Member


Joined: July 09, 2004
Posts: 4775
Location: St Charles, MO
BulliBill is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Proper dipstick for a 25hp Reply with quote

As noted in the chart shown above, there were TWO different different oil level dipsticks with "red painted" handles, one with a 111 115 611A part number for the 30bhp 2% inclination engines and a unique 211 115 611 part number dipstick for the "Bastard" Type 2 engines starting in May 1959 and ending about a year and a half later or so.

Bill Bowman
_________________
I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton

Thanks for any help!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
T2_681
Samba Member


Joined: October 08, 2018
Posts: 97
Location: Czech republic
T2_681 is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: Proper dipstick for a 25hp Reply with quote

Now - how did the early (WW2) dipstick look? It did not nave the typical cap but there was only a "wave" on one side serving the same purpose as the cap. What were the dimensions and where were the level marks?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
ZENVWDRIVER
Samba Member


Joined: November 07, 2008
Posts: 3338
Location: N.E. Oklahoma
ZENVWDRIVER is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Proper dipstick for a 25hp Reply with quote

… am learning more about human-nature on these split forums, these days - because I am much more into practical-function, then correctness - is why I rely on Mr. JT Garwood so heavily... just to know what is correct and what is not - Have to ask, why is everyone so hell-bent on originality? Is that just all the fun for you guys? Is that just the sport of the game?

Dipsticks > yikes! i'd just empty my crankcase of oil - look up the quantity of oil my 25 holds (thought all type ones held 2.7 US quarts) grab any dipstick and put it in the hole - add 1.7 quarts if oil - let it settle and check the dipstick - file a little line at 1.7 and add the final quart - file another little line, indicating full and live by my marks (bet the existing lines on the sticks would be close enough anyway and no additional lines would be necessary)…

… if I was aware that 25 horse oil-dipsticks were so special, idda' never gotten rid of any, over the years - have a few 36 and 40 horse sticks, in my stash...marked as such.

… Not debating or looking to argue - everyone should just 'do their own- thing' and i'm cool with that. I have come to respect Mr. Splitdog, finster (and others) very much - So, just wanting to understand other opinions, is all - many thanks - z

_________________
5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

All super-heroes, wear a MASK
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
pastellgreen
Samba Member


Joined: January 06, 2012
Posts: 1133
Location: Germany
pastellgreen is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: Proper dipstick for a 25hp Reply with quote

There are two things coming to my mind speaking about the originalty delusion:

The first point is a certain suspense on historical and archeological kind of research. If there would nobody interested in our past and in old ruins found, there wouldn't be any further investigation and connected knowledge about where we came from. Archeologists are very fussy at work and so are we here, learning every day something new about our little cars, how the've been made and changed. We also try to retrace and understand the engineers work at the VW factory in the past.

The second point is the uprising worth of our vehicles (that I hate actually). People selling their cars have to argue why they want that much money. Historical corectness is one good point to discuss the asking price. And for knowing all the details, we study it on the samba. I also want to buy a expensive car only, when the details are correct.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
ZENVWDRIVER
Samba Member


Joined: November 07, 2008
Posts: 3338
Location: N.E. Oklahoma
ZENVWDRIVER is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Proper dipstick for a 25hp Reply with quote

pastellgreen wrote:
There are two things coming to my mind speaking about the originalty delusion:

The first point is a certain suspense on historical and archeological kind of research. If there would nobody interested in our past and in old ruins found, there wouldn't be any further investigation and connected knowledge about where we came from. Archeologists are very fussy at work and so are we here, learning every day something new about our little cars, how the've been made and changed. We also try to retrace and understand the engineers work at the VW factory in the past.

The second point is the uprising worth of our vehicles (that I hate actually). People selling their cars have to argue why they want that much money. Historical corectness is one good point to discuss the asking price. And for knowing all the details, we study it on the samba. I also want to buy a expensive car only, when the details are correct.


Yes, excellent reasoning - and I agree - thanks for taking the time to explain - is appreciated - z

_________________
5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON

All super-heroes, wear a MASK
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
EVfun Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: April 01, 2012
Posts: 6161
Location: Seattle
EVfun is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZENVWDRIVER wrote:
Bruce wrote:
johnshenry wrote:
It measures 6 31/32" from ....

Don't you have a metric ruler?

… do you have an American standard ruler?

LOL, do any of you have a calculator? 177mm
_________________
Wildthings wrote:
As a general rule, cheap parts are the most expensive parts you can buy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Beetle - Split-Window/1938-53 VWs All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2025, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.