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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:29 am    Post subject: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

I had an interesting call from my insurance agent this morning.

In his words "The market value of the vehicle has exceeded $20,000" and he suggested I increase my insurance policy to a higher value plan.

I had the Bus insured just with basic comprehensive car insurance, with a pretty low personal vehicle payout rate. (How much money they will pay before totaling the vehicle)

I know these Busses aren't cheap anymore, a running and driving one is easily $10,000 where I live, so it makes sense to insure it accordingly.


My question I guess, is how exactly do you all insure your busses?

Do you use classic car specific insurance? Or just a regular collision/comprehensive plan.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

I have mine insured thought Liberty Mutual. I have full coverage comp/collision regular car insurance, not collector car insurance. With an agreed value of $30,000, a $250 deductible and $0 glass deductible.

To get this coverage I sent pics of my bus to my agent as well as 3 ads from the classifies of the same year and model bus showing current market value.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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I have mine insured thought Liberty Mutual. I have full coverage comp/collision regular car insurance, not collector car insurance. With an agreed value of $30,000, a $250 deductible and $0 glass deductible.

To get this coverage I sent pics of my bus to my agent as well as 3 ads from the classifies of the same year and model bus showing current market value.

Good luck!


Thanks Rich, I guess I'll be talking to my agent.

Your bus is similar to mine, not a show queen, but a solid daily driver.

I've never even considered selling this Bus, so I should probably go scan the classifieds to get an idea of the value.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

you want to make sure you have an AGREED value policy, not a STATED VALUE.

i have my 71 westy at 24k, 70 deluxe at 70k and the 71 single cab at 18k thru grundy. it's about 1k/year for all 3

a good "driver" bus is 20k+ all day long imho
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

I went to agreed valve earlier this year with my American Family guy, he suggested that this is fairly new.
I submitted a couple pictures of the Bus and the Thing, I had to pay in advance for the year for some reason, but my rates actually went down.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
you want to make sure you have an AGREED value policy, not a STATED VALUE.

i have my 71 westy at 24k, 70 deluxe at 70k and the 71 single cab at 18k thru grundy. it's about 1k/year for all 3

a good "driver" bus is 20k+ all day long imho


Okay, I definitely need to talk to the agent again. I told him to increase the insurance up to $20k since it was hardly any extra money per month.

But I will have to see about getting an agreed value plan as opposed to a stated. And learn what that entails.

I have never owned a car worth more than about $5-7,000. So this is new territory for me.

I would definitely consider my Bus a driver. When my "daily driver" broke down last fall, I just hopped in the bus and drove a 250 mile round trip without thinking about it. It's extremely reliable with no drivability concerns.

(other than the leaking master cylinder, but that will be fixed as soon as the damn USPS delivers the parts)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

I have used Hagerty for the last 20 years for my classic cars. My Mustang was rearended in traffic. The person at fault had All State. All State tried to screw me, but Hagerty stepped in and sent me a reasonable check. They went after All State and collected. I'm a fan.

One thing to remember is to update your agreed value as the vehicle appreciates.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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I have used Hagerty for the last 20 years for my classic cars. My Mustang was rearended in traffic. The person at fault had All State. All State tried to screw me, but Hagerty stepped in and sent me a reasonable check. They went after All State and collected. I'm a fan.

One thing to remember is to update your agreed value as the vehicle appreciates.


Three things to keep in mind with Hagerty

It can't be the primary vehicle that you own,

It has to be stated that it's "garage stored" I don't think carports count..however if it's parked outside at the time of a mishap and something happens, they should cover the damage/loss

Hagerty will NOT cover you for camping..which sucks the big one if you like to say..I dunno, Camp in a VW camper!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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Mberglo wrote:
I have used Hagerty for the last 20 years for my classic cars. My Mustang was rearended in traffic. The person at fault had All State. All State tried to screw me, but Hagerty stepped in and sent me a reasonable check. They went after All State and collected. I'm a fan.

One thing to remember is to update your agreed value as the vehicle appreciates.


Three things to keep in mind with Hagerty

It can't be the primary vehicle that you own,

It has to be stated that it's "garage stored" I don't think carports count..however if it's parked outside at the time of a mishap and something happens, they should cover the damage/loss

Hagerty will NOT cover you for camping..which sucks the big one if you like to say..I dunno, Camp in a VW camper!


I looked into Hagerty many years ago with another project car. And my garage didn't meet their criteria because it is too insecure, and unheated.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

fes wrote:

Hagerty will NOT cover you for camping..which sucks the big one if you like to say..I dunno, Camp in a VW camper!


I just called American Collector, and American Modern, both will not cover for camping either. I guess as long as you are okay not having it covered by insurance in a campground/out camping. For my purposes that is probably just a few times a year.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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fes wrote:

Hagerty will NOT cover you for camping..which sucks the big one if you like to say..I dunno, Camp in a VW camper!


I just called American Collector, and American Modern, both will not cover for camping either. I guess as long as you are okay not having it covered by insurance in a campground/out camping. For my purposes that is probably just a few times a year.


Check into RV insurance. Also call Hagerty and tell them you wont use onboard propane and it does not have a head, see what they say. Seems to be hit and miss depending on the person you talk to.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

I've used American Collector, switched to Hagerty then back to American Collector (this time through USAA).

I can't speak to coverage during camping, but both allowed coverage with garage or "lean to". I don't know if this is my area specifically or what, but both offered it.

Both offered considerably less premium when switching from another provider vs new policy with new vehicle...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

My Bug is insured via Hagerty as a collector vehicle at agreed appraised value, and even though the value has increased, it hasn't gone up too much.

My 77 Westy is insured as a regular vehicle through Aviva here in Canada, since Hagerty won't insure campers, plus I use it more.

At the time I bought it in October 2015 I had it appraised and insured at the agreed appraised value of $11,500.

Now that I read this, I realize I need to get it re-appraised as the values have gone way up, and it's worth considerably more than that, so I will be getting it re-appraised and then use that for the new agreed value.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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Now that I read this, I realize I need to get it re-appraised as the values have gone way up, and it's worth considerably more than that, so I will be getting it re-appraised and then use that for the new agreed value.


Yeah.. that's the big kicker..Hagerty offers a realistic agreed value, and the appraisal can be hit and miss the other insurance companies require.I wasn't really happy with my initial appraisal..The guy was a "detroit steel" kind of hot rodder type, knew absolutely jack shit about VWs..hell, he didn't even put mine on a lift, ask about work done really or anything..came in at $16,500 CAD.but that got me on the road with something other than basic liability..

The bottom line is..for what your vehicle is insured for, Will that guarantee enough money to find a similar condition Bus, arrange all the $$ for you to view it and get it to your driveway wherever you live? whether you live in a big city with a few for sale or in the far depths of the North?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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fes wrote:

Hagerty will NOT cover you for camping..which sucks the big one if you like to say..I dunno, Camp in a VW camper!


I just called American Collector, and American Modern, both will not cover for camping either. I guess as long as you are okay not having it covered by insurance in a campground/out camping. For my purposes that is probably just a few times a year.


Check into RV insurance. Also call Hagerty and tell them you wont use onboard propane and it does not have a head, see what they say. Seems to be hit and miss depending on the person you talk to.


I called an insurance company about RV insurance..mine didn't meet the criteria because it was built before 1974 or 1975..(can't remember for sure) and DO NOT have propane or even a sink in mine.. so that idea melted quick..

Ultimately, when I moved from another province this one a couple of years ago, I decided to go with Hagerty on my Bus (I have it on my other two rigs anyway) I figured I save a few bucks until I started camping again more often.. So until something better comes along, I'll stick to the current insurer..

PS..Unless there's a bolt of lighting, a landslide or some dickhead vandals, whatever is going to go array where you'd need to put in a claim is most likely going to be on the road to or from wherever your camping (but if there's some Hagerty agent trolling this thread right now..I promise I'm not camping Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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I wasn't really happy with my initial appraisal..The guy was a "detroit steel" kind of hot rodder type, knew absolutely jack shit about VWs..hell, he didn't even put mine on a lift, ask about work done really or anything..came in at $16,500 CAD.but that got me on the road with something other than basic liability..

The bottom line is..for what your vehicle is insured for, Will that guarantee enough money to find a similar condition Bus, arrange all the $$ for you to view it and get it to your driveway wherever you live? whether you live in a big city with a few for sale or in the far depths of the North?


Yes. That's why I sourced out an appraiser who is very used to appraising vintage VW's.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

I had an appraiser who was familiar with muscle cars, but he was really impressed with the trucks, and examined them for two days, asking about every bolt and piece of trim -- was it "born with", "replaced but original", or "aftermarket"?

He hooked me up with an agent from Hagerty, and I have AGREED VALUE policies on both the trucks, for $50k and $80k. They do not have to be kept indoors, they can be daily drivers and I can take them to the dump, no problem. This is just the policy I was looking for, though it took over a decade to find it.

So, if that sweet double cab ever gets totaled, they pay me $80k AND I get to keep the vehicle under a special rider. If it gets damaged, they will pay to restore it up to that value.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

I talked to my agent, and we are in the process of setting up an agreed value policy for $40K.

Those are some words I never thought I'd type. Laughing


Thanks for the input guys!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

The whole thing seems to vary wildly depending on the combination of insurance company, insurance broker, appraiser, adjuster, and the state/province you live in. I've heard people with (theoretically) top notch coverage who felt screwed over with a claim, and others with no special policy who felt they came out ahead.

I daily drive and camp with my air cooled cars 8 months of the year, so none of specialty policies work for me. Daily drive to the point that I took the insurance off my Tiguan last summer because it didn't get used. Limits and rules on mileage, camping, storing, etc. don't work for me. My insurance broker insists I just keep receipts and lots of photos of my cars, and if something were to happen, it would be enough to prove what I had. He tells me appraisals don't always mean anything to the insurance companies, since they will come up with their own value anyway, rather than someone else's opinion. Plus, appraisals expire every few years, so unless you keep up on paying for them, it won't help much. Not that they are a terrible thing, but they are just another bit of evidence you can use (just like comparable classified ads, receipts etc.), not necessarily a guaranteed value of your car.

I basically run the same insurance coverage I keep on the dailies. To be fair, I've been lucky enough to have never made a claim, so my opinion could change one day.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you insure your bus, and for how much? Reply with quote

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I've been lucky enough to have never made a claim, so my opinion could change one day.


If your vehicle is damaged, you'll be in for a shock without the proper insurance. What do you think "blue book" is on a 50 year old VW?

They don't care what receipts you have.
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