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Original Manx
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 Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject: Kombi with 6 cyl 3.0 EZ30 and 5 speed Subaru transmission |
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Hey all,
Thought I'd share - a customer has just finished his EZ30 and 5 speed into Kombi conversion and sent some pix. What a great looking install, looks like it was made to fit into that space.
2 x Honda Civic radiators in the back with Subaru fans and the cooling is fine. Everything fits under the decklid and looks like plenty of ground clearance for the sump. Maybe some low profile exhaust manifolds in the future?
Build was in Christchurch New Zealand.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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thats killer! i am thinking something like that will be my next project. for what its worth, what does a reverse gear 5 speed go for? i would be all about doing that too
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chabanais
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Looks cool; would hate to work on it.
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purplepeopleeater
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BusterBrown
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Wow, some serious engineering at work there. 
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| chabanais wrote: |
| Looks cool; would hate to work on it. |
you could dance in there compaired to a Audi RS6 (or any of the stuff i work on daily)
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| most VW enthusiasts are stuck in 80's price land. |
| Jake Raby wrote: |
| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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IFBwax
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How about some video of it in action? How's it run?
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Original Manx
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Sorry guys, I just manufacture the transmissions so don't have any videos of it driving. I will ask the owner if he will post here/provide video/provide feedback. But I'm sure it's awesome.
I drove a 2.5 STi turbo bay Kombi a few months back and posted the build photos here too. What an unbelievable machine! Have a look on youtube and search for Subarugears channel and you'll see some in-kombi footage of that going for a blast.
skills@eurocarsplus the reversed 5 speed kits go for $2200 shipped anywhere in the world. Fully built reversed transmissions start at $4300 for a basic one. All the details at www.subarugears.com
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BUSBOSS
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maximan1
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The shifter is in such an awkward position. So far back!
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RatCamper
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Just the person I wanted to talk to. With the reverse cut R&P set up does the range select survive on the four wheel drive transmissions?
Two questions about that swap. Did the battery end up under the seat?
Any idea what the duty cycle on the fans would be? I'm not happy with my ground clearance loss and have been looking for an alternative that can sink a lot of heat without effort.
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dansternz
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Hi All,
This is my van. I will try to get some video of it soon and will put a link on this thread.
As far as working on it goes, the pics probably make it look more tight for space than reality. I would bet that it would be easier to change the spark plugs on this than when the motor was in the Subaru. Also, I have made a cradle for my trolley jack that supports the motor and gearbox so you can just drive the van up onto ramps then drop the motor and box fairly quickly though I am hoping not to need this feature too much.
Some basic details if anyone is interested:
- Subaru crossmember is used to support engine.
- Custom made brackets to attach the crossmember to the van chassis.
- Custom front gearbox mount can be seen in pics. Hangs down a little more than what I wanted but there are always compromises with projects like this.
- 2 dual core aluminium Honda Civic radiators piped in series for cooling. The standard subaru fans are mounted to these rads and are controlled from the Subaru ECU. So far so good with the cooling. Have taken it up about a 1000ft hill climb with no sign of high temperature. I won't say that it is a complete success until I have really loaded it up on a hot day up a long hill.
- I decided to make the entire exhaust from scratch. I am pretty happy with the sound as it is not too loud (but not too quiet either  ).
Anyway, comments are welcome, good bad or otherwise.
PS, it goes like hell, 65kph in first gear and smooth as silk. |
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dansternz
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Yes battery had to move if I wanted to maintain easy access to the battery. This is a compromise with this cooling setup. Good thing is that the van looks completely original from the outside (except exhaust).
Not sure of the fan duty cycle although I can say that most of the time when I pull to a stop the fans are not running. I have a code reader that I leave connected which can display engine temp realtime. At idle the coolant temp will cycle between 88 and 93 degrees celcius as the fans switch on and off. They only stay on for approx 30 seconds at a time. |
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Worms
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Wow! That looks mean!
I hope you and your family (including the Van!) have come through these latest earthquakes ok! We're all thinking of you down there!
Did you have to alter the driveshaft length? I'm considereing this for my EJ25 powered Transporter ('84 T3 / type 25). Hoping it won't be too much drama!
Cheers,
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Original Manx
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:20 am Post subject: |
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No need to change axles.
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Original Manx
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| Just the person I wanted to talk to. With the reverse cut R&P set up does the range select survive on the four wheel drive transmissions? |
Only some of the four wheel drive transmissions have hi/low dual range, most of them don't have it. With the flipped ring and pinion this interferes with the split input shaft gears for hi/lo so is not useable. The flipped ring and pinion works with the regular 4wd transmissions in 4wd and also 2wd as you see here.
To be honest, these engines are so torquey and flexible, coupled with 5 gears across the range and cheap torque sensing LSD's there is hardly any need/call for dual range transmissions.
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Kirk
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Whoa.
I just wanna go for a ride.
Pretty please?
I'll buy the ice cream.
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As aircooled parts get harder to find I think this will become more common. I think Raby said something very similar and I'm sure others have thought the same thing.
Do people think this is a fair trade off or do our buses lose too much 'soul' in the process. I know I spent over $6k on my last engine build and I'm guessing it's only going to get more expensive as time goes.
Build looks fantastic, very nice work.
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danfromsyr
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compared to $12k quotes for Raby engines in the future
and coupled to say a new car (or newish)
it really doesn't bother me too much (other than I don't have the $$ issue) to spend say $10K to get a van/camper up to a fairly modern system..
though that's a tough sell to the bulk of Bay (simpler is easier) owners.
but I can't leave well enough alone most of the time myself.
and to note that while this is very nice coupled to the Subie 5speed it's not required to have the fun. any 2.2l , 2.5l, or 3.0l can be easily coupled to a bay transmission. standard (76+) or automatic, they really don't mind turning 3800+rpms down the freeway.
and you really shouldn't have to work on it nearly so much.
freshen it up on install and drive the next ~50k miles w/o much of a hitch.
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As aircooled parts get harder to find I think this will become more common. I think Raby said something very similar and I'm sure others have thought the same thing.
Do people think this is a fair trade off or do our buses lose too much 'soul' in the process. I know I spent over $6k on my last engine build and I'm guessing it's only going to get more expensive as time goes.
Build looks fantastic, very nice work. |
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