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t3hw4h
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:39 am    Post subject: springs - options! Reply with quote

I currently have weitec lowering springs on my 91 westy with koni shocks, which is a little too low unfortunately.

i want a lower ride height and don't want to go back to the stock springs, which ride too high for cornering in my opinion - so options:

1) carat springs - hard to find and of dubious age and quality.
2) springs from avo UK - should i go with the 30, 50 or 70 mm?
3) moog springs? there's a little said about them on the forum, but they seem like a dark horse?

if you have pics of a westy with any of the above springs installed please post up, i need to make the right decision this time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a set of Carat springs for sale in Mission or Maple Ridge on Vancouver C/L right now... Wink

The AVO 30mm are an aftermarket replica Carat spring. As far as I'm concerned, anything lower is for specialised use, not your daily driver. IMHO, YMMV
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on CL right now and I can't find them!

Could you PM me the link? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unless you mean the doka misc parts link.. which aren't carat springs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

> don't want to go back to the stock springs, which ride too high for cornering in my opinion -

plenty of people corner fine with stock springs, maybe your van needs some other details fixed, not springs

how are your ball joints, tie rod ends, alignment, steering rack bushings, and are your tires rated for vanagon?

imo, shocks, tire inflation, and tire sidewall strength have a bigger impact on body roll than springs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider an Addco front sway bar for improved cornering. I felt it helped a LOT. (The general thought here is that a rear sway bar is not really needed unless you drive in a very spirited manner.)

Try a Samba-search on < addco 719 >

Much has been written here on this topic.

I have a 25mm model #719 Addco front sway bar and am very happy with it. I paid $190 for the sway bar from shox.com, and $20 for two 19mm bushings from VanCafe.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-swaybar fine, but i'm not going back up to stock spring height.. it's just too jacked up for my liking.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

t3hw4h wrote:
I'm on CL right now and I can't find them!

Could you PM me the link? Smile


Okay, I was wrong about the site! They're here on The Samba: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1278087

Langley...

Jay Lefstein in Squamish is always parting out vans too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I've phoned the Langley dude.. he said they sold months ago, he really needs to take that ad down hehe.

Jay has my number as soon as he stumbles on some carat springs Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

t3hw4h wrote:
anti-swaybar fine, but i'm not going back up to stock spring height.. it's just too jacked up for my liking.

Don't underestimate how well a stock height or lifted rig with a tuned suspension will handle.

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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since no one cares that you specifically state you don't want rhe stock ride height, try the search for belltec speings. They make a lowering spring for s10's that fit the front but are stiffer. I dont lnow of any rear oprions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

t3hw4h wrote:
Yeah I've phoned the Langley dude.. he said they sold months ago, he really needs to take that ad down hehe.

Jay has my number as soon as he stumbles on some carat springs Smile


Bummer! I see them on the local Craig's every once in a while...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what i'm really hoping for is someone who has bought the avo 30mm springs so i can see what they look like.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping to find some air-springs to replace the coil springs in the rear. That way I can raise/lower the rear to level the bus at a campsite or compensate for additional load.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's gonna be a costly setup!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry Davick wrote:
I'm hoping to find some air-springs to replace the coil springs in the rear. That way I can raise/lower the rear to level the bus at a campsite or compensate for additional load.


Look here for some discussion, mixed..
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...p;start=20

Use the search.. a couple Samba memebers have airbag suspension
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

btw I did some measurements on the ride height:

Front: 13.5"
Rear: 14.5"

Seems a little excessive for a 45mm drop spring..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3130296-VW-TRISTAR-WITH-AIR-RIDE.-PROJEKT-MADE-IN-SWEDEN
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