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Sodo
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 Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:15 pm Post subject: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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Trying to leave for camping and the water pump didn’t work.
So I reached down inside the tank and pulled it up.
I spun the impeller with my finger and the motor started up.
All good, right?
So I put it all back together and turned the knob.
No pump.
So opened the cap again.
Reached down and turned the pump shaft again.
It started working again.
So I decided to run it continuously, pumping out the entire tank.
Perhaps massaging the motor brushes???
It never runs this long in real life, only short blips.
I refilled the tank and it’s working reliably this afternoon.
Fingers crossed that I healed it.
I guess we’ll find out over the next few days.
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Tobias Duncan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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You could have seated the brushes nicely is one possibility.
You could have broken free a bunch of corrosion is another. I have had similar experiences |
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steve244
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DanHoug
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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those pumps get crusty inside and DO respond to usage. it'll likely freeze up again after setting a couple of weeks.
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vanis13
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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I've done that finger-freeing-spin solution and it lasted for years....Keep us posted and we'll add to solution database.
...after those years, when it di fail with a wiring issue I replaced with small bilge pump $10...now 15? years later all still works well. Had to run it backwards to slow down the flow rate....Now thinking, maybe I'll put polarity switch on it and run on high/original flow rate when I want it to work like a shower.
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Sodo
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| Sodo wrote: |
Fingers crossed that I healed it.
I guess we’ll find out over the next few days. |
A few days…..still works.
And it seems extra spunky too… splashing water all over now.
I think it’s the original from 1990, how can I tell?
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'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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jimf909
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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How are you at healing squeaky front-ends?
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| This is the main fault with DIY'ers, they get together on these forums and pat themselves on their backs spreading bad information. |
Guilty as charged.
Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Sodo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| DanHoug wrote: |
| those pumps get crusty inside and DO respond to usage. it'll likely freeze up again after setting a couple of weeks. |
Oct 14, 2.5 months later, the pump quit again. Out in the woods.
Mrs. Sodo said "there's no water". I replied "we have at least 10 gallons". She repeats, "but there's no water".
Like when a kid throws a candy wrapper on the ground offeering the excuse "but there's no garbage".
Well there's ALWAYS garbage but the kid means "there's no receptacle".
Abbreviations can muddy the communication.
So I emptied the cabinet, unscrewed the tank cover, pulled the pump up so I could see the bottom.
And turned the impeller manually.
It was actually "stuck". But it did break free, requiring more effort than I anticipated.
But luckily it freed up and the motor spun it again.
It worked fine for the remainder of our trip.
So we now "had water".
I don't know how long it sat idle over that last 2.5 months.
Maybe 3 or 4 weeks idle?
So anyway here's real feedback regarding this pump-tickling method and the validity/effectiveness of running the pump continuously for a whole 15 gallons as a cure.
And it's still working, almost a week later.
Tickling the pump is like a get outta jail card; a valid avenue for procrastination.
Someone needs to talk me out of adding a $12 timer that runs the pump for one second every week. ( https://a.co/d/gKNXl9T )
But that day is coming.
Where are folks getting replacement pumps in 2023? VW Part number 255070805
BusDepot offers this "in-tank" pump for $88.
GoWesty offers this "in-tank" pump for $35, noting it pumps less volume if you reverse the polarity.
I think I'll test it both ways. I've heard this replacement pump is a bit "energetic"  .
Here's Van Cafe same pump, also $35 but fast & free shipping.
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'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
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Busdepot
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| BusDepot offers this "in-tank" pump for $88. |
That's the wrong pump. This is it, for $29:
https://www.busdepot.com/255070805
Ours is a slightly lower-flow pump, as the original Westfalia one was, meaning it won't empty your tank in minutes like the ones sold elsewhere do.
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jimf909
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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How to slow the flow:
- Connect the wires backwards to spin the pump backwards. This is a good approach but maybe not slow enough.
- Head to Radio Shack and pick up a few resistors and find the one that slows the pump to your desired level. There's a Radio Shack in Colville, WA, just 320 miles from Seattle (not on California Ave like in the good ole days).
- Install a Shurflo faucet.
- Devise your own solution. PWM faucet control?
Nice work coaxing a few months of life out of that old pump.
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| This is the main fault with DIY'ers, they get together on these forums and pat themselves on their backs spreading bad information. |
Guilty as charged.
Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Busdepot
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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Or just use our pump, which has slower flow to begin with.
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Sodo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| Busdepot wrote: |
| Or just use our pump, which has slower flow to begin with. |
"This pump has the proper flow rate for your Westy as per original spec. Most sold elsewhere as "OEM replacements" (even if German made) actually aren't correct for a Westy. They may look similar, but they were intended for campers with larger tanks and have too high a flow rate. They will empty your entire water tank in minutes. (Note, not for Winnebago camper conversions.)"
Perhaps more than larger tanks; they were meant for larger fixture outlets.
My brother has one of those higher-volume pumps and the flow is so hard it splashes all over the van. He's almost afraid to use it.
I heard him grousing about reversing the wiring or buying one of those white RV faucets.
Reversing the wiring seems plug&play, I'd try that first before going all 1st-world with one of those sleek white RV faucets.
I like this option. I prefer the look & martyrism of the classical Westy Delta6® faucet.
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'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, SyncroShop pressure-oiled pinion-bearing & GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox.
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
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DanHoug
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| Sodo wrote: |
| I like this option. I prefer the look & martyrism of the classical Westy Delta6® faucet. |
has anyone come up with a good solution for gripping the Delta Six knob with soapy hands short of screwing something to the top? otherwise, i've no beef with the faucet.
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60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
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jimf909
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| DanHoug wrote: |
| Sodo wrote: |
| I like this option. I prefer the look & martyrism of the classical Westy Delta6® faucet. |
has anyone come up with a good solution for gripping the Delta Six knob with soapy hands short of screwing something to the top? otherwise, i've no beef with the faucet. |
That's exactly what I did. I screwed a small lever to the top.
The sun came out from behind the clouds, a double rainbow circled my van and unicorns removed all of the seam rust with their perfectly suited corn. It really was a big deal.
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| This is the main fault with DIY'ers, they get together on these forums and pat themselves on their backs spreading bad information. |
Guilty as charged.
Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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vanis13
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| DanHoug wrote: |
| Sodo wrote: |
| I like this option. I prefer the look & martyrism of the classical Westy Delta6® faucet. |
has anyone come up with a good solution for gripping the Delta Six knob with soapy hands short of screwing something to the top? otherwise, i've no beef with the faucet. |
I created a foot switch which turns the faucet on when I step on it. REALLY handy for washing hands and dishes and keeping the faucet from getting soapy and conserving water at the same time.
GW had a air pressure activated one for a while until it turned on the faucet when changing elevations.
You can make one yourself and if you want me to make you one email me at [email protected]
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Sodo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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I use a knee-operated switch. Doesn’t fit every knee out there.
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| GW had a air pressure activated one for a while until it turned on the faucet when changing elevations. |
Seems like that could be cured with a tiny bleed orifice.
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'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
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Busdepot
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| I created a foot switch which turns the faucet on when I step on it. REALLY handy for washing hands and dishes and keeping the faucet from getting soapy and conserving water at the same time. |
We sell exactly that: https://www.busdepot.com/j11694 You just wire it inline with your faucet, easy to do and very convenient.
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Sodo
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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My healed pump got stuck again after sitting a couple weeks.
I bought a new pump from BusDepot and it fits exactly like the old pump, easy install, works perfect.
$30 https://www.busdepot.com/255070805
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'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, SyncroShop pressure-oiled pinion-bearing & GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox.
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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calo1956
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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I don't know why they ever put the pump in the tank. My 1980 Westi has the pump under the sink cab still going after 44 yrs. I will say it does get vapor locked on occasion though...
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dabaron
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Did I heal my sink pump? |
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| jimf909 wrote: |
| How are you at healing squeaky front-ends? |
where does the line start?
does the Bus Depot pump provide good pressure to Shurflo faucets or would the GW/VC option be better? my OG in tank pump only provides a trickle.
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