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satterley_sr Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:06 pm Post subject: Thick wall 88's Too Thick |
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Just built a 1679cc for a customer using the aa 88 mm thick wall cylinders.
What a PITA. There was interference between the fins on adjacent cylinders. Installed one cylinder and then could not install the other because it hit the fins on the other cylinder. Grind/try/grind/try, after four times it finally fit. _________________ DDC racing |
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. I've used a few sets of these and the only issue I had was the last cooling fin closest to the case hit one of the center case mating nuts. No big deal and an easy fix with a grinder. Assembling another engine with thick wall 88s as soon as the parts get back from balancing. |
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surflvr911sc Samba Member

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gt1953 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Wonder if they are number 1 2 3 4. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
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esde Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Is it possible that the case bores were set too close together when they were done? |
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58Dub Samba Member

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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 2:33 am Post subject: |
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so does the head fit? _________________ 58 Beetle (now just a pile of parts in the corner)
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satterley_sr Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Yes these are AA machine in 88's,
If the bores are too close together, then VW did it cause you don't machine them.
yes heads fit engine is together after I ground down one side of the cylinder. _________________ DDC racing |
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Brian Mathe Samba Member

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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 9:50 am Post subject: |
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If these are machine in 88's don't you have to "machine" the case to get them in? _________________ 59 Kombi
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 10:03 am Post subject: |
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satterley_sr Samba Member
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58Dub Samba Member

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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Brian Mathe wrote: |
If these are machine in 88's don't you have to "machine" the case to get them in? |
I would guess these have the base turned down. _________________ 58 Beetle (now just a pile of parts in the corner)
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm... I guess it was just extra casting flash. I doubt you did serious mocking up and measuring, or you'd have even bigger complaints about how aftermarket stuff sucks and doesn't fit.
At least you will know for next time to check barrels in the case registers. I check for a different reason. One time, one of the steps inside wasn't cut to the right dimension, and my barrel wouldn't drop all the way down. That held up my estimated build time for my client at the time. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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satterley_sr Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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There was not extra casting flash, just letting others know of the situation. I have built probably over 100 engines and not run into his before but this is the first time with the machine in 88's. I think this is something that AA should correct since it is a stock case! _________________ DDC racing |
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member

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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:08 am Post subject: |
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satterley_sr wrote: |
There was not extra casting flash, just letting others know of the situation. I have built probably over 100 engines and not run into his before but this is the first time with the machine in 88's. I think this is something that AA should correct since it is a stock case! |
I don't believe this is a common problem, you probably got a cylinder which skipped the QC line though I've come to expect things like this when dealing with non-OE VW parts. If the engine fell together no one would need engine builders, right? |
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Brian_e  Samba Member

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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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My last two sets did the same thing. 2 minutes each on the bench grinder and they are perfect. No big deal at all.
The TW92's and the 94's always hit the 19mm case nuts also. Another 2 min. each on the bench grinder.
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Brian_e wrote: |
My last two sets did the same thing. 2 minutes each on the bench grinder and they are perfect. No big deal at all.
The TW92's and the 94's always hit the 19mm case nuts also. Another 2 min. each on the bench grinder.
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Bill Dykes Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Thick wall 88's Too Thick |
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I have the same problem. AA thick wall 88s. Never had this happen before. Getting out the grinder tomorrow. |
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LivinInnaVWBus Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Thick wall 88's Too Thick |
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Bill Dykes wrote: |
I have the same problem. AA thick wall 88s. Never had this happen before. Getting out the grinder tomorrow. |
Check out the flash where the two castings halves meet together, you'll need to clear all of that out of the cooling fins as well, they don't line up correctly. A dremel with a cut off wheel works well, it'll take an hour or two. |
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VWCOOL Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Thick wall 88's Too Thick |
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It's not rocket surgery |
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64delux Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Thick wall 88's Too Thick |
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VWCOOL wrote: |
It's not rocket surgery |
Rocket Science?
Brain Surgery?
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