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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:58 am    Post subject: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

I've got kind of a dumb question. Will brake fluid in the tunnel cause rust in there?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

Unless things changed after 69. Your rear brake line should run outside of the tunnel along the floor between the drivers seat and the tunnel. Are you sure it is brake fluid? Maybe tranny fluid leaking from your nose cone bushing/seal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

even if brake line runs outside of the tunnel it's still possible to have brake fluid in there if the leak comes from the MC where it mounts to the napoleon's hat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

I'm pretty positive that its break fluid. I had it sitting in the shop and pumped the breaks and let sit for quite a while with no puddles outside of the tunnel. My reservoir runs dry all the time. Its gotta be break fluid. Well, I don't think I have brake lines outside of the tunnel because I can see a line when I lift up the hatch under the back seat. I'm almost positive that its a brake line, but I'll have to check. To be honest, I really don't have the cash to replace the MC unless I have to. hahaha. I'm just worried about the tunnel. I don't want to have tunnel rust, cuz I wouldn't know what to do. I just bought this car last year as my first car, sooo....
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

GArBa wrote:
even if brake line runs outside of the tunnel it's still possible to have brake fluid in there if the leak comes from the MC where it mounts to the napoleon's hat.

How is this possible? The MC is mounted lower than the top of the tunnel and there is no opening between the napoleon hat and the tunnel that I'm aware of.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

Yep that's the brakes er breaks. Who needs breaks anyway I mean brakes. I think I'll take a coffee brake er break yay that's the ticket Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

I'm starting to get pretty confused, especially with all of the pictures on the internet. I'mma have to find a repair manual and find out where the brake lines are even suppose to be. :/ ugh...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

A leaking master cylinder can dump fluid inside the forward bulkhead (napoleon hat), which then goes into the tunnel. You can wash it out with a water hose. Jack up the front of the car a couple of inches and the water (and brake fluid) will drain out the drain hole in the rear. Just let the tunnel dry out before you put the access covers back on.

That leaking master cylinder will eventually fail. Press the pedal and no brakes. Replace the master ... you can't afford not to.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

Brake fluid strips the paint off metal if not washed off quickly with water. So the brake fluid itself may not cause rust but once the paint has been removed it will rust from the moisture in the air.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1276658.jpg
In the attached link. You can see the routing of the brake line snaking around the accelerator pedal. It then runs outside of the tunnel to the rear "T" fitting.
Someone please educate me as to how the brake fluid can get into the tunnel. Not just it can. But how it gets there. Is there a weep hole in the napoleon hat? I don't get it.
Thanks in advance.
BTW The link is an image from an SB.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

Park your bug then, the MC is leaking and the time is past to replace it, money or no money. If you crash because of no brakes you won't have to worry about tunnel rust Wink
67, the firewall is two pieces and when the MC is leaking it ends up in the tunnel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

Its not that I don't have the money, but I need the money for college and college necessities. I don't want to waste money on something that won't fix it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:

Someone please educate me as to how the brake fluid can get into the tunnel. Not just it can. But how it gets there.


go under the car and look at the frame head bottom plate pressing: below the napoleon's hat there is a pressed ridge that runs across the frame head bottom plate itself. the tunnel welded over the plate has straight side flanges thus where it meets this ridge it creates a small opening where brake fluid leaking from the MC can accumulate and enter the tunnel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

Just to be clear here. I am not trying to be difficult. Just trying to learn. In the image below it appears that the napoleon hat bottom side has a void that allows escaped fluid to enter the tunnel. Is this correct? This image is looking from the bottom of the hat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

this pic from the gallery shows the bottom plate of a super:

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see the ridge across the tunnel just below the napoleon's hat?

here on a standard (pic from the gallery):

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this allows air to circulate between the napoleon's hat inner cavity and the tunnel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

GArBa wrote:
this pic from the gallery shows the bottom plate of a super:

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see the ridge across the tunnel just below the napoleon's hat?

here on a standard (pic from the gallery):

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this allows air to circulate between the napoleon's hat inner cavity and the tunnel.

OK I now consider myself educated on this matter. Thank you for your patience.
Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

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Its not that I don't have the money, but I need the money for college and college necessities. I don't want to waste money on something that won't fix it.

Pull back the dust boot and if it is wet you won't be wasting your money.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

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Brake fluid strips the paint off metal if not washed off quickly with water. So the brake fluid itself may not cause rust but once the paint has been removed it will rust from the moisture in the air.


While true that brake fluid will strip paint, I don't believe VW ever put paint inside a late model Beetle tunnel.

Keep it dry and it won't rust, I promise.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

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While true that brake fluid will strip paint, I don't believe VW ever put paint inside a late model Beetle tunnel.

Keep it dry and it won't rust, I promise.


I've never been inside a tunnel so I don't know, but they didn't paint in there? Did they do anything to protect the metal?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Brake fluid, tunnel, and rust. Reply with quote

I believe they got dunked into a tank of rust preventative, but there is no way to paint inside once it is put together.
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