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Gertie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:14 am Post subject: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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| I have a 1990 Vanagon that was my late husbands daily driver. As a 44 year long mechanic and repair shop owner exclusively for VWs, I'm pretty sure he would have chosen the best to be his daily driver. And, as I'm searching for a good price to ask for it, I'm seeing "carat". Can anyone tell me what a van needs to have to be considered a "carat" vanagon? |
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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:29 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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Google Vanagon Carat.
Lots of info, pictures, etc. _________________ T.K. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2987 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:34 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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| Gertie wrote: |
| I have a 1990 Vanagon that was my late husbands daily driver. As a 44 year long mechanic and repair shop owner exclusively for VWs, I'm pretty sure he would have chosen the best to be his daily driver. And, as I'm searching for a good price to ask for it, I'm seeing "carat". Can anyone tell me what a van needs to have to be considered a "carat" vanagon? |
It's a special Vanagon model above the GL model that features two rear facing seats in the middle and a table that folds out of the wall. It was first sold as a Wolfsburg Edition Vanagon GL in 1987 and 1988 and then it was renamed the Carat for 1989 through 1991. It's a very nice model - probably the best overall package for all uses.
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bobbyblack  Samba Member

Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4676 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:37 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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What TK said, yes.
Short list would be the fold down rear seat turns into a bed.
Has a table that fold out from Drivers side, has two rear facing jump seats.
Has body cladding along bottom edge of vehicle, its fiberglass.
Has lowered stance.
Unless Im on a 36 hour no sleep jag (oy vey! i am) |
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MsTaboo  Samba Member

Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4610 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:44 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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The Carat was an actual model of Vanagon. Sold in North America from '89-'91. It is a seven passenger tin-top van with slightly shorter springs to lower the stance of the vehicle. The body has fiberglass cladding around the lower edge to give it a sporting look and has an air dam in front, fiberglass bumpers, and alloy wheels.
Carats have all the power accessories, mirrors, windows, steering, and a/c. They have a pair of rear facing jump seats which are removable. The front seats are "captain chairs" but do not swivel like the camper seats. The rear seat does fold down into a queen sized bed.
The Carat:
It is a really nice van and the best driving stock Vanagon I've ever driven.
VW also sold during those same years the "Multivan" which was a weekend camper version of the Carat. It has a pop-top with sleeping for two above and two below, a fold out table and the rear facing seats. The front seats do swivel, and there is a small cabinet in the rear but no kitchen. _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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Merian Samba Member

Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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the / is better of course _________________ .... |
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The Carrot Samba Member

Joined: November 18, 2013 Posts: 173 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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If the Van still has the parcel trays and factory curtains that is a bonus.
Some would argue that a manual transmission is more desirable.
Look here for comparable Vans.....
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php...ords=Carat _________________ 1990 Orly Blue Carat |
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AndyBees Samba Member

Joined: January 31, 2008 Posts: 2681 Location: Southeast Kentucky
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 6:00 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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My 89 Carat doesn't have electric windows and never come with curtains.
I'm the 3rd owner! I got it for $3,000.00 (142k miles on the odie).. which apparently was a fairly good price as I've since seen several with much higher price tags! _________________ '84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI, two trips to Alaska, 2014 & 16. 1989 Tin-top unmolested.
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine, seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003. 1975 Bay hopeful. |
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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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Somebody tossed the snap in curtains.
It was part of the carat option. _________________ T.K. |
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Wildthings Samba Member

Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 52639
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 7:42 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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It is a late Vanagon that came with some fancy trim that is now in the process of falling off.  |
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 7:58 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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Sorry for your loss of husband.
for top dollar on the van, comdotion and service history are probably more important than if the van is a carat or not (my pet rabbit may care about it being a carrot however!) so good complete service records will help bring you the best price. rust free body and good paint, no collision damage is also very important. the carat edition would be icing on the cake to someone looking for that model, but being a carat alone is not going to make the van a huge premium value over non carats. (some folks prefer the higher riding standard vans and dislike power windows and such for their complexity)
study ebay, craigslist and the samba want ads for an idea of asking prices. if the van is in good cosmetic and mechanical condition then it will bring top dollar. full camper vans demand a premium price for thoose wanting a full camper. for me a full camper would be a minus as I prefer the more storage space in the standard van, I carry a boat inside my van, would not fit in a camper version.
good luck in getting the best price for your van _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member

Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12175 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:23 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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I don't think curtains were standard Carat features. My Bluestar doesn't have them, but my old '88 GL had all the Carat power options and dealer installed curtains and rods. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2987 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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| The snap on curtains were standard on some years, but were not included for others. The 1989 Bluestar/Whitestar didn't have them. All 1987-1988 Wolfsburg Editions (same as Carat) had them as standard equipment, as did 1990-1991 Carats. I can't remember if the regular 1989 Carat came with them or not. |
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MsTaboo  Samba Member

Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4610 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:52 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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p.s. it's pronounced Ka'rat, not carrot.  _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:57 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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<<The snap on curtains were standard on some years, but were not included for others. The 1989 Bluestar/Whitestar didn't have them. All 1987-1988 Wolfsburg Editions (same as Carat) had them as standard equipment, as did 1990-1991 Carats. I can't remember if the regular 1989 Carat came with them or not.>>
Had an 86 Wolfsburg & a 89 Carat.
They both had the curtains. _________________ T.K. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2987 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:05 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
<<The snap on curtains were standard on some years, but were not included for others. The 1989 Bluestar/Whitestar didn't have them. All 1987-1988 Wolfsburg Editions (same as Carat) had them as standard equipment, as did 1990-1991 Carats. I can't remember if the regular 1989 Carat came with them or not.>>
Had an 86 Wolfsburg & a 89 Carat.
They both had the curtains. |
It must have just been the Bluestars/Whitestars that didn't come with them. I've actually owned every year of the Carat style over the years. Unfortunately, I'm starting to forget little details here and there.  |
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AndyBees Samba Member

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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:07 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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Well, I've looked for evidence of curtains in my 89 ... nothing that I could see. Could have been removed, no doubt!
Question? How does the table popup? Seems there's nothing to grab, push, etc., to release it...... _________________ '84 Vanagon Tin-top, ALH TDI, two trips to Alaska, 2014 & 16. 1989 Tin-top unmolested.
1983 Air-cool, 225k miles, 180k miles mine, seven trips to Alaska from 1986 thru 2003. 1975 Bay hopeful. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2987 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:13 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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| AndyBees wrote: |
Well, I've looked for evidence of curtains in my 89 ... nothing that I could see. Could have been removed, no doubt!
Question? How does the table popup? Seems there's nothing to grab, push, etc., to release it...... |
The table has a clever spring loaded latch. Push it once, the latch rotates 90 degrees and releases the table. Push the table back in, the latch rotates 90 degrees again and latches the table. Unfortunately, the latch tended to get sticky or the striker plate inside the side panel would get misaligned and jam the table. It sounds like yours is stuck shut. Try pushing side to side on the table panel a little but while pushing in. In the worst case, you may have to pull the whole side panel to get the table released, but often times working it side to side while pushing in will get it free.
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2987 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:16 am Post subject: Re: What is a CARAT vanagon |
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Van-Cafe carries the replacement table latch.
http://www.van-cafe.com/folding-table-latch
Worth a look to see the configuration of the latch. |
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