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JVetter Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: TX
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:39 pm Post subject: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Towed my Dad's 1963 Type 34 to my house for restoration. Been sitting for 25 or 30 years (garage kept).
Question is what, if any, US imported VW's had the flat-four 1500cc engine in them that I can use as a cross-reference when buying parts for the engine or trans-axel? I'm new at this...
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22438 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Nothing really converts except early 61-65 type 3s, and none of them were imported into the USA by VW. All of the early type 3s and T-34's were brought into the USA by private people and a couple of dealers "in the know".
That said you might want to look thru the technical section of the site (click on the technical button in the upper right of the page, then click on owners manuals. about 3/4ths of the way down (maybe slightly more) you'll find the parts manuals. Toward the bottom of them is the typ 34 section, but it's mostly all body related. I only say that as I used the parts manual for my own 64 T-34 when I rebuilt it. The upper part of the parts book covers regular t-3 parts which is what the T-34 is based on. Depending on what you need, you might try asking here in this thread you started. Some guys like Joel ( Boo-Koo-Z ) have type 3 parts, and some guys like Jason (Notchboy) have both type 3 and type 34 parts available. Some here might have what you need as well, as this community is one of the best on this site for helping others. I know I got a lot of help and some parts from others who just donated. What exactly are you looking for as far as the engine and trans go? You can bump up the engine to a 1600, which could make finding some parts easier. Swing axle boots are the same as a bug, ghia , and type 3. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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JVetter Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: TX
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Thanks for the response. I’ll check it out.
Frankly I don’t know what I need yet. I haven’t worked on a VW since I owned a 68 bug as my first car in the mid-70’s. I’m looking for something to guide me through installation of the transaxle and engine. That will help me figure out what I need.
I’ve zero’ed in on early-60’s type 3’s because I think they have a similar engine/transaxle combination.
My father, an ex-aircraft mechanic, rebuilt the engine in the early 90’s and pulled the trans-axle to replace the seals. My mom got cancer, he put it aside, and never picked it back up. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22438 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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JVetter wrote: |
Thanks for the response. I’ll check it out.
Frankly I don’t know what I need yet. I haven’t worked on a VW since I owned a 68 bug as my first car in the mid-70’s. I’m looking for something to guide me through installation of the transaxle and engine. That will help me figure out what I need.
I’ve zero’ed in on early-60’s type 3’s because I think they have a similar engine/transaxle combination.
My father, an ex-aircraft mechanic, rebuilt the engine in the early 90’s and pulled the trans-axle to replace the seals. My mom got cancer, he put it aside, and never picked it back up. |
A lot of it will be like your old 68 bug. Not sure of which seals he might have been wanting to replace, other than the trans input seal, the nose cone paper gasket, nose cone bushing seal, or the axle boots and axle end cover gaskets. Possibly rear hub axle seal kits as well. A lot would depend on where the leak is/was.
A Haynes type 3 manual will help you with the running gear portion (engine and trans), otherwise you need the big Blue Bentley that covers the T-34 and 67 and earlier type 3s. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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lawn ninja Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2006 Posts: 1009 Location: Round Rock, TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Where in TX are you JVetter? I'm up in Round Rock. _________________ Jason
My 64 1500 S Notchback project here
My 58 sedan project here
My 63 Ghia here |
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JVetter Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Thanks for the tips on manuals. That will help me get my head back in the game. |
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JVetter Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Lawn Ninja - I am in Aledo, just west of Fort Worth |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22463 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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JVetter, welcome. What better project than to pick up the family T34. Very cool indeed.
Pics. We gona need some pics of what you have brother. Youtube can get you rolling. Asking questions here and waiting for a reply. Having Lawn Ninja over for a beer.
Parts pop up from time to time. The generic drivetrain stuff is easy. The unique stuff, not so much. When it does, open your wallet and get ready for a bit of a sting. T34s popularity has gone nutz lately. They are at similar pricing to Porsche 356 stuff.
Have a facebook account? Make sure you do and join - https://www.facebook.com/groups/180923175271409
Most parts get floated around social media. The go fast there since its like droppin chum in a shark tank.
Did I say post pics of what you got? _________________
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1964 T34 S Convertible
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13283 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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I'm down in Houston, sold my T34 a long while back. There is a sticky at the top of the page with lots of type 3 info. mechanical stuff will be same as a notchback, also not available here. parts show up in the classifieds as mentioned, put up wanted ads too. https://vwispwest.com/ is the shop with more type 3 and type 34 parts than anyone else, and they have an employee that regularly replies here. Yes pics and best of luck. If you start a new thread specifically about your car restoration, you will get followers and people will help with parts. Read Bob's T34 thread in your spare time |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7561 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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I'm confused,
Do you have the original motor and trans or have they gone missing?
On a car like that, I'd do anything you could to get the original stuff,
Rather than some other that wasn't original to the car.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
What’s That Noise?!? |
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JVetter Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: TX
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:06 am Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Will post photos tonight or this weekend.
I have the entire car, just that the engine, axle were removed. Getting it towed to my house from my father's house was EXPENSIVE as a result, but they did it without damaging the car. |
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JVetter Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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ooooooh that is going to clean up nicely. I would preserve what you have and NOT "restore" it aka restroy |
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reay Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2004 Posts: 675
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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I would try and keep as much original as you can. She looks like it's in nice shape and has all the "good parts".
I had a t34 that lived in Texas, first in SA then in Round Rock (BTW, so did my mother in law). No rust, but the seals and interior were fried.
The only thing I can see is that broken check strap dent. I'd take it to a body guy with really good skills and get that fixed. Try to keep that original paint!.
BUT, it's your car. That's only what I would do. _________________ Tom Reay
Da weiss man, was man hat!
68 Karmann Ghia Sunroof / auto T345
66 Standard Microbus T221
66 1200a Standard 115 with factory ragtop |
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pedro sainz Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2005 Posts: 1430
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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OK NOW you got my Attention 👍😁
Pacific Blue ???
Or Polar Blue
Very Nice
I Agree with Eric and Reay
Just clean it up
If you want the Correct and Complete Upholstery
Let me Know
And Again Just Clean it up 👍😁🍺 _________________ 68 T34 1600 Automatic
62 T34 Cabriolet Prototype
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JVetter Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 8 Location: TX
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Thanks for all the tips. I intend to keep it as original as possible. First order of business is to get the basic mechanics working. All I need now is time. |
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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does the engine turn over as is? I would take pics first, then drain, remove the tins, the heads, see what shape the pistons are literally and what kind of shape they are in overall. it looks to be a 64 or later dual carb motor. It has the earlier bolt on shroud top. 64 and 65 dual carb carb motors could have a domed piston with a higher compression for more power. you'll want to inspect and clean the heads up, new pushrod tubes, new intake and exhaust gaskets, I would blow out the oil cooler and change those seals. button it up and see what it does. These engines were not generally worked to death like so many buses were, I have had good success doing the above clean up
so that brings up, dual carb motor, are you sure it's a 63 not a 64? these are commonly titled incorrectly, a year earlier, when bringing them to the US privately. My 64 Notchback was mistitled a 63. Anything built August 1963 and newer should be titled as a 1964 model. Vin #'s are in the technical section here, the number listed is the last car that month : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/serialnumberst34.php
the trans though... do you have one? these were the fastest VW's produced in their time, you'll want that same gear ratio. There are some good transmission builders on this site regardless, but would be better to rebuild the correct one.
looking forward to more pics of this car |
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lawn ninja Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2006 Posts: 1009 Location: Round Rock, TX
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:53 am Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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I would work at preserving everything you can on that. The car looks really clean and solid. If you need someone to rebuild the motor, I'm just down in Round Rock. What are the numbers on the motor? I would think the trans would be fairly easy to find on that group that Notchboy suggested on Facebook. Like Erik G said try to find the correct trans.
If you're into doing it yourself, cool. But if you want someone to do the cleanup and drivetrain install let me know. _________________ Jason
My 64 1500 S Notchback project here
My 58 sedan project here
My 63 Ghia here |
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pedro sainz Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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Ok
I know late 63s
Do have a 64 engine compartment
Or is a 63 small compartment
And that Dual Engine came from another car
I’m asking this before you restore the engine
With the Duals and Avoid to cut the engine compartment
Take a picture of your compartment to see wish one you have
We Can’t Help just by One Picture posted in this thread
If You Really want Help
Work with Us to give As Much
Info and Suggestions we Can _________________ 68 T34 1600 Automatic
62 T34 Cabriolet Prototype
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:33 am Post subject: Re: 1963 Type 34 Parts |
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pedro sainz wrote: |
OK NOW you got my Attention 👍😁
Pacific Blue ???
Or Polar Blue
Very Nice
I Agree with Eric and Reay
Just clean it up
If you want the Correct and Complete Upholstery
Let me Know
And Again Just Clean it up 👍😁🍺 |
What are the 4 lug drums off of? Was your dad planning on doing a trans swap? If that's the engine the car came with, then either someone swapped out the single carb for duals. Or it's a later car (64).
I do agree with Erik and Reay, and just clean it up. It looks real good and should make for a nice cruiser. It's a survivor car. The expensive stuff will be the T-34 only rubber. BTDT. If you want, you can spend some time going thru my T-34 build thread in my signature. I warn you, you'll want a few beers when you go thru it, as mine was in worse condition. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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