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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:12 pm    Post subject: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

I've read all the battery threads but the available options and the store links seam to change constantly. I've done the math and 100-150ah seems to be the sweet spot for my needs. I'd also like to maximize storage and keep everything neat and under the seat. Anyone have a good recommendation for a battery?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

The 'build your own' battery, yes. I have not heard of a drop in 100aH "battery" that fits.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

The build-your-own is the only reasonable option for that size under the drivers seat. There is a Renogy 100Ah that some folks have used there, but it involves cutting away part of the battery box and even then the battery terminals stick above the battery box top. Some folks are okay with that, but not for me.

For an off-the-shelf battery, you can go smaller (50Ah) or use a different location. Some folks argue that "space is space" and as long as you are using the space under the drivers seat (for tools or something) then you are still being space efficient.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

Renogy's smart 100ah fits in the battery box without modifications. Their new one that's like $500 will NOT fit as it's too tall with the CATL style batteries vs pouch style of the smart battery
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

I fought the battle of trying to find a 100aH battery that would fit behind the driver's seat, and finally relented to putting it in the cabinet floor under the sink. Saved me loads of having to cut parts of the van I didn't want to cut, and didn't have periscope battery terminals that could potential be an issue.

I tried the 50aH, and it just wasn't sufficient for what I needed.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

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Renogy's smart 100ah fits in the battery box without modifications. Their new one that's like $500 will NOT fit as it's too tall with the CATL style batteries vs pouch style of the smart battery


I have heard this on this forum, but not sure how it could fit. My cells are 174 mm tall and I had to raise the lid a smidge to give me enough breathing room above the terminals. Not sure how the 187mm tall renogy could fit. Do you have this and could share a pic of your install?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

Does anyone have more details on the correct Renogy 100ah that fits? I don't think I'm up for building my own battery.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

I'll have to do some digging, but I remember seeing a post with pics either here or FB.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

This is the pic I have seen on the FB group for the Renogy battery people say fits in the battery box. If this is the battery folks are referring to, I'd say this technically fits, this isn't anything I would recommend people do, and it involves removing the lid and doing a bit of cutting. Better to either build your own or put the battery somewhere else.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

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yikes. and that's with a swivel. Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

That's the one I remembered, but also, terminals FORWARD fits much better and safer due to swivel seat
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

It's there another thread on this install? Or a model number? Looks like what I'm looking for...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

You could go this route but they are sold out. https://www.gowesty.com/product/battery/25135/auxiliary-battery-bundle-?v=
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

Those are lead-acid batteries, not LiFePO4 batteries.

I have the GoWesty 50 Ah LiFePO4 installed under the driver seat - initially I was super-happy with its performance, but found during the heatwave in Seattle that it wasn't enough to keep the fridge cold longer than 2 days. I'm now looking to replace it with much bigger batteries (haven't yet determined if I'll go DIY or use a commercial offering).


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You could go this route but they are sold out. https://www.gowesty.com/product/battery/25135/auxiliary-battery-bundle-?v=

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

It's this battery from Renogy:
https://store-fhnch.mybigcommerce.com/12v-100ah-sm...-function/

But there's no way I can see where that battery is a good install in that location. By the time you put wires onto those terminals, they're even taller. What are people doing, putting spacers into the seat base to make it taller somehow (don't see how this is possible) or cutting out the bottom of the box, welding in a lower pan? It doesn't even look like there's room to put in extra insulation like many people, including me, have done on the starter battery (those soft plastic discs that cover new CV joints make awesome terminal covers!).

If the (+) terminal hits the bottom of the seat, congratulations, you now own an arc welder. I imagine that would not be good for all the electronics inside that smart battery.

Or, I could be all wrong. Electronics are not my area of expertise, really.

EDIT: Wait maybe those terminals are floating around in the air even with the seat all the way back. If that's the case, I guess I can see where a cover could be built, but that's a lot fo work by itself.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

Ok so I was going to wait to post after I completed the install but I’m not going to have time to jut my other system out for a couple more weeks. I measured over seventeens dang times before pulling the trigger on the 100ah Renogy on their Labor Day weekend sale because I swore it was gonna work. As soon as I received it I temporarily removed my old set up from under the seat for a quick test fit. Bingo!

I had to remove the hinged cover and dolly the flange flat, but now if you lay the battery on it’s side it will lay flat with the terminals facing forward and the cover will fit back on. I will make a removable flange that the hinge will re-rivet back onto. I’m planning to access the terminals through the little cubby from under the seat.

Like I first mentioned, I’ve only quickly tested fitted, but I’m 99.9% sure it’s gonna work.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

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Ok so I was going to wait to post after I completed the install but I’m not going to have time to jut my other system out for a couple more weeks. I measured over seventeens dang times before pulling the trigger on the 100ah Renogy on their Labor Day weekend sale because I swore it was gonna work. As soon as I received it I temporarily removed my old set up from under the seat for a quick test fit. Bingo!

I had to remove the hinged cover and dolly the flange flat, but now if you lay the battery on it’s side it will lay flat with the terminals facing forward and the cover will fit back on. I will make a removable flange that the hinge will re-rivet back onto. I’m planning to access the terminals through the little cubby from under the seat.

Like I first mentioned, I’ve only quickly tested fitted, but I’m 99.9% sure it’s gonna work.


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That's EXACTLY what I was referencing above with terminals forward and room to attach. You can even still put a lid on it. Smart move with the strap for easy extraction! I also checked with Renogy and these CAN be multi position as they're pouch cells and not prismatic
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

Do you think that will fit if the driver's swivel was removed and the seat slides on the original runners?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

Plz post a pic with a straight edge laid across the two carpeted sides.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: What's a 100ah LiFePO4 that fits under the driver seat? Reply with quote

ProspectiveOwnergon wrote:
That's EXACTLY what I was referencing above with terminals forward and room to attach. You can even still put a lid on it. Smart move with the strap for easy extraction! I also checked with Renogy and these CAN be multi position as they're pouch cells and not prismatic

👍🏽👍🏽 Ya I checked too and everything confirms no problems with them on their sides.

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Do you think that will fit if the driver's swivel was removed and the seat slides on the original runners?

I sure would think so. Just like it was mentioned, you should still be able to get the battery cover back on.

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Plz post a pic with a straight edge laid across the two carpeted sides.

Will do. But as I mentioned it will be a couple weeks before I can get back to this project. (I reinstalled my old lead acid battery back in there) But if you look where the battery is sitting up next to the cabinet, you can see that it is sitting below the metal flange that the battery cover was attached to that I dollied back flat.
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