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kangaboy
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How are these superior to standard bearings and what is their application (street/strip/daily)? Are they worth the almost 4x price of standard mains?
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/1845.htm
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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| They aren’t simply a replacement stock size bearing set. They have a very specific use for a flanged crank with Type 4 main journals in an unmachined standard linebore case. The other more common way was to take two sets of standard Type 4 bearing sets to create the two piece flanged bearing, then have the case line bored to accept the larger Type 4 bearing. Comparing prices to their counter parts are about the same, but there isn’t the additional machine work to the case needed. |
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Stripped66
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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Are you running a flanged crank?
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kangaboy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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| They have a very specific use for a flanged crank with Type 4 main journals in an unmachined standard linebore case. |
Awesome, thanks for the response. I never heard of them before, so was just asking about their general application.
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| Are you running a flanged crank? |
Nope, so now I don't need to worry about using these.
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Dan Ruddock
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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| Makes me think 🤔 CB is going to start selling flanged cranks SOON. Dan |
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stealth67vw
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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| Makes me think 🤔 CB is going to start selling flanged cranks SOON. Dan |
CB had flanged cranks in their booth at Sacramento Bugorama 4 or 5 years ago and had wondered why they haven't been selling them. I would assume bearing supply was the main issue.
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Dan Ruddock
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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| Dan Ruddock wrote: |
| Makes me think 🤔 CB is going to start selling flanged cranks SOON. Dan |
CB had flanged cranks in their booth at Sacramento Bugorama 4 or 5 years ago and had wondered why they haven't been selling them. I would assume bearing supply was the main issue. |
The current Empi/bugpack should be available to CB also. Wish a Porsche journal version was produced. Dan |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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| stealth67vw wrote: |
| Dan Ruddock wrote: |
| Makes me think 🤔 CB is going to start selling flanged cranks SOON. Dan |
CB had flanged cranks in their booth at Sacramento Bugorama 4 or 5 years ago and had wondered why they haven't been selling them. I would assume bearing supply was the main issue. |
The main issue with a flanged crank is the cost. That’s why Empi contacted Revmaster to start making the ones they used to do for Bugpack again. Empi has them listed for a little over $1500 for a crank/flywheel. That’s a bargain compared to the $2200+ the Scat ones are up to. And you don’t want to know what the Pro-Stock/Pro-Mod cranks are going for.
CB definitely is an innovator in creating something to fill a market void, or make performance stuff more available to the common hobbiest. With everyone complaining about aluminum rod bearings, they should of had King make some tri-metal VW/Chevy journal bearings. |
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SLAKKER
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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On the flanged crank how do the seal work is there a pic
of the crank in a block somwhere , haven't seen one in a block
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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| SLAKKER wrote: |
On the flanged crank how do the seal work is there a pic
of the crank in a block somwhere , haven't seen one in a block
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The seal rides on the outer diameter of the rear flange section of the crank, as opposed to riding on the flywheel. The flanged seals are larger in diameter than a stock VW one, so the case needs machined for the seal.
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Dauz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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I wound up buying these bearings. They're basically 411 adapters for standard type 1 mains. I opted out of doing the thrust conversion this time around since it is built into the bearing.
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vw donvieira
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Flanged Main Bearings from CB |
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How is the crankshaft end play managed? I have a flanged crank and was going to have GEERS do the bronze bushing, but this seems reasonable alternative.
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