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4118thing
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 Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 7:36 pm Post subject: Shift rod questions |
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I’ve watched videos and read articles, but they all seem to be about splits or newer transports. I understand that the bushing may not be as important on a single cab vs a bus, since any rattle would not be as well detected as an enclosed bus.
1. Are there three boots? One in the shift rod in the front of the tube. One at the exit of the tube, and a third behind the coupler on the transmission?
2. Why are there tits on the forward rod bushing? Are there holes on the shift rod that can’t be seen until the rod is pulled forward?
3. Any really good “how-to articles and/or videos?
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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shift rods and parts vary by year.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 2:49 am Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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Add the center birdie if you don't already have it.
The tits on the replacement birdies may be too big for the holes in the rod, so the tits either need to be forced into the holes or the holes enlarged slightly. |
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4118thing
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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Regarding year, mine is a ‘69.
Also how far in the tube are the holes for the birdie?
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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Not my feet. Here's a '72.
The dimples are a little different by year, your rear bushing will be a little far back. Front bushing is in the same spot.
Adding the third bushing prevents rattles and does nearly nothing for shift quality.
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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I’ve watched videos and read articles, but they all seem to be about splits or newer transports. I understand that the bushing may not be as important on a single cab vs a bus, since any rattle would not be as well detected as an enclosed bus.
1. Are there three boots? One in the shift rod in the front of the tube. One at the exit of the tube, and a third behind the coupler on the transmission?
2. Why are there tits on the forward rod bushing? Are there holes on the shift rod that can’t be seen until the rod is pulled forward?
3. Any really good “how-to articles and/or videos?
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As stated above, things will vary, especially since you have a SC. But basically is a shift rod in a tube on all models.
1. Two boots on the shift tube, one at the front, one at the back. There is a boot on the trans shift. So yes, that's 3 boots, however they are not all the same type.
2. The tits are there so the birdie moves with the rod, that's all. Yes you won't see the holes in the rod until the entire rod is out, must be removed from the rear of the Bus.
3. Not that I'm aware of, but maybe search. It's easy as long as you have the engine and trans out and a for sure item to do if they are out.
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4118thing
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| Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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Can the birdies be installed without removing the rod? Seems the only issue on the forward one is the titts would have to be cut off, and you would need a pile with the OD equal to the IDof the tube.
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| Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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| Can the birdies be installed without removing the rod? Seems the only issue on the forward one is the titts would have to be cut off, and you would need a pile with the OD equal to the IDof the tube. |
No, you need to remove the rod and replace the birdies, then reinstall. It takes maybe 60 minutes to pull the engine and trans (mated) and then you can pull the shift rod. And if you're going that far, there's other items to address...a "while you're in there" kinda thing...
My opinion is to do it right, or wait until the time is right, then do it right.
I gotta ask, what's the big push to replace the birdies?
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4118thing
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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It seems hard to believe that I have to drop the engine and trans to put the birds on the rod. On my Thing I pulled the rod forward. Can the birdies be installed backwards withe the noses pointed backwards? Looks like which way it faces is immaterial.
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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| It seems hard to believe that I have to drop the engine and trans to put the birds on the rod. On my Thing I pulled the rod forward. Can the birdies be installed backwards withe the noses pointed backwards? Looks like which way it faces is immaterial. |
I don't think the direction is important to their function unless they bump into something or pop out of the tube when reversed. |
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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| It seems hard to believe that I have to drop the engine and trans to put the birds on the rod. On my Thing I pulled the rod forward. Can the birdies be installed backwards withe the noses pointed backwards? Looks like which way it faces is immaterial. |
Well, a Bus is not a Thing.
Give it a try if you are skeptical, but I will tell you there's really not enough room and you'll struggle with it. You can get the front birdie probably but you won't be able to replace the rear birdie.
All I'm saying is I've done the job, I know what it takes to do it correctly, I would not do it differently because it's my Bus and I take pride in not taking shortcuts because it's bad form.
I would suggest you do it right, but if you want to do it a different way, that's your choice, and it's your Bus.
The direction is certainly relevant, some German engineer designed it that way...although I'm sure it'll probably work fine reversed, try it and find out.
Good luck and Godspeed.
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Shift rod questions |
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I just did this job last week. You absolutely can’t change the rear birdie with the tranny in the way. Drop the engine and tranny as a unit, and the shift rod overhaul takes an hour unless you have some huge problem.
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