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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:36 am    Post subject: Westy Table clamp lever (adjustable angle, indexing, ratchet...) Reply with quote

Departing from my preference for "OG appearance"....

I did this mod 1 year ago.
It's 100% a good mod.

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I got tired of twisting that gray knob.
(that pic is photoshop)


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Here's the real thing.
The final tight- angle is adjustable.
So once you choose an angle, you can "see" at a glance if it's tight.
on mine.....if it's at the 45° angle, it's TIGHT !

You don't have to climb back in one more time to confirm the table knob is tight.
Consequently, you don't have to stop the van,
walk back there,
tighten a loose table that's swinging around.

Its a nice mod.

The length of the handle allows 2x the torque, it's easier..
It stays tight, and does not need any attachment to the wall.

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I bought this (4pcs).
I cut them to 15mm and gave some to friends.
You have to cut the 30mm thread to 15mm otherwise it collides with the corner of the Westy bed.
Preparing the cut end for good engagement, that doesn't gouge the support pipe is worthwhile time spent.

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I used a garden-hose washer but someday when the technology catches up I can install a gray bezel. Wink
Some feller could 3D-print bezels for this
in proper Westy colors
to obscure the off-center hole.

========= links to other Westy table mods =======
Westy Table vertical slider modification (How-to)

Westy Table knee-bend
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

Nice mod, great for a quick grip on the table leg.
However perhaps that style of handle might become a snag point in the tight confines of the Westy cabin?

I don't know, maybe it's just my Westy, but I've never had any problem with the table staying put with the stock knob. No need to crank hard or for any extra attachments at the wall.

The only other mod I would like to do on mine is to add a fairly strong spring to help lift the table. Always meant to find one that would fit inside the leg/slider tube to ease lifting. Would need to be strong enough to help lift without being so stiff that lowering would be a pain.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

MsTaboo wrote:
Nice mod, great for a quick grip on the table leg.
However perhaps that style of handle might become a snag point in the tight confines of the Westy cabin?


Well..... there was one time it hooked on my underwear strap and,
well.
we don't really need to get into that.

We've been known to hang a garbage sack on it... Rolling Eyes
Handy.....but unsightly in such a fine machine.....

MsTaboo wrote:
I don't know, maybe it's just my Westy, but I've never had any problem with the table staying put with the stock knob. No need to crank hard or for any extra attachments at the wall.


Gotta wonder if it worked when new?
Why would some "hold" and some not?
its a fairly common complaint.
But when you do the table slider height mod, you do start on a 'new wear area' on the support arm.
My table fixity did not seem to improve though. Maybe a little, but was still a hassle 'cranking' that gray knob.

But keep in mind when you set it at 45° angle you can glance at it and know it was tightened.

MsTaboo wrote:
The only other mod I would like to do on mine is to add a fairly strong spring to help lift the table. Always meant to find one that would fit inside the leg/slider tube to ease lifting. Would need to be strong enough to help lift without being so stiff that lowering would be a pain.
Yes adding a spring to be 'neutral' weight.
It could be inside the leg.
That seems feasible.

I chose a standard height set with a bicycle seat clamp, and we rarely change the height.
Its the height you seen in all my pics.
I can dig around in the bins pretty good without moving the table.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

MsTaboo wrote:

I don't know, maybe it's just my Westy, but I've never had any problem with the table staying put with the stock knob.


Same here. I'm sure I would forget to tighten a lever just as easily as I forget to tighten a knob Embarassed

Ergonomically, most everything about my Westy seems to work so well for me that I prefer to adapt my habits to fit it rather than the other way around. Except for the "table leg elevator mod", I love that one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

I have added a gas strut (~15 lbs of force) inside the tube to help lift the table and it is really nice to not have to worry about the table dropping when you loosen the clamp. I was able to find a gas strut that was small enough in diameter but it was not long enough so I had to 3D print extensions for the ends of the strut. you do have to apply a little force to get the table to go down and if there is not enough weight on the table it will rise on it own when the clamp is loosened. It would be better if the gas strut had only about 12 lbs of force but I was not able to find one with that low of a force in the proper size.

I am now working on using some linear bearing to make the movement of the table up and down much smoother.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

SCM wrote:
MsTaboo wrote:

I don't know, maybe it's just my Westy, but I've never had any problem with the table staying put with the stock knob.


Same here. I'm sure I would forget to tighten a lever just as easily as I forget to tighten a knob Embarassed

With the knob you can't tell by looking.
But with the lever you can KNOW by looking (if it's tight or loose).
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

https://a.co/d/fnAuZIk

This one is M10 x 15mm and should fit without cutting.
Same length handle (80mm)
3 for $12.49
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:34 am    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

Sodo wrote:
https://a.co/d/fnAuZIk

This one is M10 x 15mm and should fit without cutting.
Same length handle (80mm)
3 for $12.49


Very cool idea, I like that.

The link above may not be the ratcheting type? Hard to tell….
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

SLOWoody wrote:
I have added a gas strut (~15 lbs of force) inside the tube to help lift the table and it is really nice to not have to worry about the table dropping when you loosen the clamp. I was able to find a gas strut that was small enough in diameter but it was not long enough so I had to 3D print extensions for the ends of the strut. you do have to apply a little force to get the table to go down and if there is not enough weight on the table it will rise on it own when the clamp is loosened. It would be better if the gas strut had only about 12 lbs of force but I was not able to find one with that low of a force in the proper size.

I am now working on using some linear bearing to make the movement of the table up and down much smoother.


Another cool idea. The 3D printed ends are just tube fillers then to shorten the inside length? You have info on the strut you got?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

I put a small piece of skateboard grip tape on the inside of my table post clamp, where it presses on the actual table leg, did this "mod" a few years ago. It significantly reduced the amount of knob turning pressure required in order to secure the table and keep it from moving. It has worked wonderfully ever since, and was essentially "free" (my buddy who skates gave me a small piece).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

I like that grip sticker. I bet skateboard shops have scraps.
If the OG knob works well, maybe you could put a decal on the knob
so you can SEE its loose if the KNOB decal isn't "upright = tight"?

There are various kinds of adhesives.
You don't want a grip-sticker that has thick goo
that oozes when hot
& slides off the "brake shoe".

GREAT pic !! Wink
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Alaskaberrys wrote:
Sodo wrote:
https://a.co/d/fnAuZIk

This one is M10 x 15mm and should fit without cutting.
Same length handle (80mm)
3 for $12.49


Very cool idea, I like that.

The link above may not be the ratcheting type? Hard to tell….


I bet there's a spring under that screwhead, and it's adjustable angle.
It costs $12.49 to be 3x as knowledgeable Wink
the handle is 80mm, same as mine, which is good.
I wouldn't want a shorter handle.

Funny that they are called "ratcheting" some places.
I'll change the subject title, because it's NOT "ratcheting".
"Indexing" would be the proper term but "angle adjust" could be better.

https://a.co/d/8krkbmf here's M10x20mm with a 90mm handle.
90mm would be a little easier to tighten than 80mm length.
Possibly on some vans, the 20mm "might" work without cutting the bolt to 15mm.
On my van, 20mm would have plywood seatbase pressing past the handle.
15mm makes it "just the cushion passing by".

I like the "idea" of flattening the bolt end real square
so it doesn't dig in to the friction shoe (because I can)
but that's probably not required.

Here's the measurements on my van.

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Better check your measurements.
It's 30mm from the plywood, squishing the cushion down to the wood below.
YMMV
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More detail in case your van doesn't have 30mm to the cabinet wall.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

Alaskaberrys wrote:
SLOWoody wrote:
I have added a gas strut (~15 lbs of force) inside the tube to help lift the table and it is really nice to not have to worry about the table dropping when you loosen the clamp. I was able to find a gas strut that was small enough in diameter but it was not long enough so I had to 3D print extensions for the ends of the strut. you do have to apply a little force to get the table to go down and if there is not enough weight on the table it will rise on it own when the clamp is loosened. It would be better if the gas strut had only about 12 lbs of force but I was not able to find one with that low of a force in the proper size.

I am now working on using some linear bearing to make the movement of the table up and down much smoother.


Another cool idea. The 3D printed ends are just tube fillers then to shorten the inside length? You have info on the strut you got?


Yes, the tube fillers are to extend the length of the gas strut and are just long enough so that the strut is almost fully compressed when the table is all the way down. I removed the ends that came with the gas strut and threaded the 3D printed extenders onto the gas strut ends. The gas strut I selected has enough extension that it will lift the table above the stove area without trouble but won't push the table support tube all the way out. Make sure to have the gas strut orientated with the gas chamber portion on top and the shaft pushing down, this will keep the seals lubricated and keep the strut from loosing its gas pressure. Here is the gas strut I ordered: https://www.liftsupportsdepot.com/lift-supports-depot-se270p20e39-gas-charged-lift-support/
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

revolution337 wrote:
I put a small piece of skateboard grip tape on the inside of my table post clamp, where it presses on the actual table leg


Oh, that's brilliant. Need to do that to my front table; it's the one that tends to move a bit while driving (the clamp and post are worn from PO's rotating the table while still clamped).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

kamzcab86 wrote:
revolution337 wrote:
I put a small piece of skateboard grip tape on the inside of my table post clamp, where it presses on the actual table leg


Oh, that's brilliant. Need to do that to my front table; it's the one that tends to move a bit while driving (the clamp and post are worn from PO's rotating the table while still clamped).


is that 'grip tape' like 'tread tape' that has embedded grit? because it would drive up nuts to feel the post scratching as I swing the table around. I THINK just simple 'friction tape' like for bike handle bars, hockey sticks, etc would work well and not scratch. I've got some gaff tape I'll try because adding something to that pad is a great idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

DanHoug wrote:
kamzcab86 wrote:
revolution337 wrote:
I put a small piece of skateboard grip tape on the inside of my table post clamp, where it presses on the actual table leg


Oh, that's brilliant. Need to do that to my front table; it's the one that tends to move a bit while driving (the clamp and post are worn from PO's rotating the table while still clamped).


is that 'grip tape' like 'tread tape' that has embedded grit? because it would drive up nuts to feel the post scratching as I swing the table around. I THINK just simple 'friction tape' like for bike handle bars, hockey sticks, etc would work well and not scratch. I've got some gaff tape I'll try because adding something to that pad is a great idea.


It is straight up gritty grip tape, the kind used on skateboards.

It doesn’t scratch the table leg at all on mine when the knob is loose and I rotate the table leg. I think there is still enough of an air gap clearance between the table leg and the clamping surface when the adjustment knob is loose.

As a matter of fact, you’d be hard pressed to know the grip tape is installed at all, as long as you fully loosen the knob prior to rotating the leg.

Your mileage may vary, it’s a cheap and easy enough mod to try out and see if it works for you. Easily removed if you aren’t happy with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

Great thread. I'm still a rare earth magnet screwed to the C-pillar guy but the prices on rare earth magnets have nearly doubled since I did that so it's a $20 magnet v. a $12 ratchet handle.

DanHoug wrote:
I've got some gaff tape I'll try because adding something to that pad is a great idea.


Gaffer's tape is what jumped to my mind as a good friction tape in that spot. It won't leave glue residue and has a the cloth texture to add friction.

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Here is the gas strut I ordered: https://www.liftsupportsdepot.com/lift-supports-depot-se270p20e39-gas-charged-lift-support/


I love this idea. They're out of stock but McMaster Carr is also a good source for gas springs:
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/gas-springs/
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

Sodo wrote:
https://a.co/d/fnAuZIk

This one is M10 x 15mm and should fit without cutting.
Same length handle (80mm)
3 for $12.49


Plug and play. My seat clears in any orientation since there is slop L/R in the seat hinges. In my 30 second install up seemed the easiest to tighten and may serve as a hook to hang the garbage bag from.

Sodo, I'll design and 3d print a trim ring and get you one. Maybe bring it personally in Aug.

Thanks for the clever mod!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

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Sodo, I'll design and 3d print a trim ring and get you one. Maybe bring it personally in Aug.

Thats good news!

Can I buy you a roll of official Westy Gray filament?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

Sodo wrote:
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Sodo, I'll design and 3d print a trim ring and get you one. Maybe bring it personally in Aug.

Thats good news!

Can I buy you a roll of official Westy Gray filament?


Sure but I think black around the base of the new handle (like you used the hose washer) may be better/more universal.

My hole/lever is off center so trimming the cabinet would leave the lever off center and possibly even causing interference.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Westy Table ratchet-handle clamp Reply with quote

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My hole/lever is off center so trimming the cabinet would leave the lever off center and possibly even causing interference.


The bezel would have a larger flange, obscuring the off-centered-ness of the cabinet's hole.

Pull/push on your table and note how the clamp rotates. The bezel could have a second use in stabilizing the table.
What if the center hole of the bezel could be eccentric to the cabinet-sized diameter?
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