A few cam questions.

[daveblank]

How is the quality of Engle vs CB Performance? Does one start off with better blanks or is their end product better? Looking at the Engle FK8 & the CB 2288 which are almost identical. CB does list their lifters as "lightweight", but are they lighter than the Engle or is it just advertising? Can any competent machine shop clearance them for a stroker(82mm with h-beam rods)?

Thanks in advance.

[b-man]

CB lightweight lifters are exactly that.

Engle lifters are probably the heaviest out there.

Quality and accuracy nowadays goes to the CB cams.

Personally I’d use the CB lightweights on a Web cam and skip the other cam brands.
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[modok]

I never tried the hard weld.

Usually to all the cams they do a...well, actually they never did tell me exactly, but I think it's a mild ion nitride treatment, and that's a lot of why the WEB cams cost more and hold up better.

[b-man]

My go to for a hot street engine is a Web cam and Thorsten Pieper tool steel lifters:

https://type-emotorsports.com/collections/engine-t...el-lifters

I’d buy the $380 tool steel lifter long before considering $290 hard welded cam lobes.

Soon having a 2276 built using the tool steel lifters for a hot street ‘57 oval window, equipped with a close ratio transaxle. Web 86b+3 cam (similar to Engle FK-10), Tims Stage 2 heads and 48IDAs on vintage Skat-Trak manifolds.

For a nice street engine, a Web cam and CB 28mm lightweights.

Currently have a 2276 bus engine in the works, Web 163, CB lightweights and 44IDF carbs.
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[74 Thing]

If you get a Web Cam built and an EP-12 blank then you can use it with the CB Lightweight lifters.

Dan sells them
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2233833

[txoval]

I have not seen a difference in the quality of the cam blank and grinder (Engle, Web, SLR)

Do certain manufacturers have better grinds? Yes, but that depends on your use.

Engle lifters are heavy, thick heads, but work well with Engle cams.

[jpaull]

The CB2288 is $149 and matching CB lightweight lifters are $179. The CB cams and CB lightweight lifters have been a proven combo. They are not cheap cams/lifters. Choosing CB is not being cheap, its paying extra compared to others. its $330 total.

https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/2288.htm?s...mux4C2wmNG

https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/1537.htm

You can spend $380 for tool steel and $240 for the web cam, this would be $620, which is basicaly the same as TWO complete CB Cam and lightweight lifter sets.

You can re-use the tool steel lifters, but even if you re use one time, and buy a new web cam for your 2nd time of "re useing" the lifters, you would be at $860.

A guy would need to repurpose his tool steel web cam combo on his 3rd web cam before it would make sense.

I know the tool steel is super cool, but CB cam/CB lightweights just work, its hard to say there is a issue that needs to be fixed.
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[Alstrup]

Agreed.
Whether to use the FK8/43, 2288 or the 86b would be more towards which behavior you wnat as well as which engine combo. The 86b IS the quietest running of the lot. It is also the one with the highest hp potential in the right combo. HOWEVER, I for one would not use it exclusively as one size fits all. For instance, if we are talking a nippy 1914 street engine I would probably chose the FK8 due to its slightly better lower rpm power. If we are talking a similar 2275 my first choice would be the 86b.
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[modok]

In my experience cbs cams have a 50% chance of matching the specs within 4 degrees, and a 50% chance of being ground with the right taper and lash ramps.

I'm glad to hear they have improved.

[txoval]

You could also look at Nowak and Raptor cams, but they are another level of cost.

At least the Raptor cams come with match lifters

[karolp]

I am torn between these three cams web 86b, cb 2288 or engle fk8 for my 2332.
Which one will last longest, and is easiest on the valvetrain, and work best in lower rpm? On paper differences are marginal.

[Alstrup]

For the longest living valve train, 86b any day.
Best lower rpm torque FK8.
Best of both worlds, 86b advanced 2-3 degrees.
The 2288 is right between those two. More rpm power than the FK8, doesnt quite reach the 86b.
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[karolp]

[Olli from NJ]

When looking at that group of cams; 2288, FK-8, 86B. Should the FK-44 be considered as well? I am looking at the same group of cams for a 2387 (de-tuning)

Olli

[daveblank]

[txoval]

If in EU, I would contact Nowak. JN4 or JN5 cam

[1950split]