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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:38 pm    Post subject: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

I raised the rear of my 67 Bug 2" (one turn on outer spline) and reassembled. The axles won't settle. Drove around the block but the wheels are still canted in at the bottom like when the car is jacked up. I re-did it to what it was before and everything is fine. Any ideas would be appreciated. I tried to upload photos but am still trying to figure that part out.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

That's how a swing axle works.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

You will need to use a combo of inner and outer splines to get what you want
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

I think what was meant by the previous poster is that you have 2 adjustments to make for each side. For instance you may try 1 spline up on the axle and 2 splines down on the spring plate. It will be trial and error until you find the combination you want. Be advised that lifting a swing axle can get tricky and potentially unsafe if not done correctly.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

you don't say what you are trying to accomplish so it's hard to give any advice. for a good and complete understanding of the rear suspension read the appropriate section in the Bently manual for your car.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

Thanks for the input guys. Maybe this will clarify. I know how a swing axle works. I understand the inner and outer splines and how they are adjusted for height. The tech info I have says one cog of the outer spline (clockwise on the driver side and cc on the psgr. side)will raise the height 2". I believe this was accurately done as I checked the position of the gear cog, which attaches to the spring plate, carefully when setting it back to factory position. I did not move the splines on the inner shaft. I'd post some photos but can't figure out how...yet. The question is, "why won't the axles settle to horizontal position. As is, the wheels are canted in dramatically.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

There are splines on the inside of the shaft too, as others have said. What you have to go by is the unladen angle of the spring plates as shown below. You need a cheap digital angle gauge like this. Set it on the door sill to zero it, and then set it on the spring plate while you lift up to take the play out of it. The angle of the torsion tube needs to be level too, or you'll struggle to get the spring plate angles to match from side to side. Speaking from experience.

Then you can adjust the spring plate by using the inner and outer splines according to the specs and chart below. Don't go by ride height, go by the angle of the spring plate. It will seem like ride height should be your goal, but it will not work, as you're seeing.

It's normal for the 67 to squat a little in the rear, and as the specs show, slight negative camber is acceptable for models with the equalizer spring. You might have to try a few times to get comfortable, but then you'll find it pretty easy for the other side.

Edited to add: if you use a degree tool like mine below, find a degree to decimal converter, it will make your life easier. The specs for the equalizer spring option call for 20 degrees 50 minutes, which is 20.8 degrees.

Editing again: the minimum you can change the angle is 0.83 degrees, so you may have to compromise a little, but make sure both sides are as equal as possible.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

voremus wrote:
The question is, "why won't the axles settle to horizontal position.

Because you've moved away from the stock settings. The rear suspension was designed to have the axles at a more-or-less horizontal position when the spring plates are set to the factory specifications. You can't expect to have the axles remain in that position after you've changed the original settings.

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That's how a swing axle works.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

voremus wrote:
I raised the rear of my 67 Bug 2" (one turn on outer spline) and reassembled. The axles won't settle.

I found this old thread with a table... I thought I would include it here as a reference. I believe this applies to S/A rear ends but should help w/ IRS as well.

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About half way down it shows that rotating the outer end by 1 spline = 8deg,10min = 5.50cm = 2.17inches.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

voremus wrote:
Thanks for the input guys. Maybe this will clarify. I know how a swing axle works. I understand the inner and outer splines and how they are adjusted for height. The tech info I have says one cog of the outer spline (clockwise on the driver side and cc on the psgr. side)will raise the height 2". I believe this was accurately done as I checked the position of the gear cog, which attaches to the spring plate, carefully when setting it back to factory position. I did not move the splines on the inner shaft. I'd post some photos but can't figure out how...yet. The question is, "why won't the axles settle to horizontal position. As is, the wheels are canted in dramatically.

Rear camber is directly related to ride height. If you change the ride height you change the rear camber, more negative as you lower, and more positive as you raise the rear suspension. It cannot be avoided with a swingaxle Bug. At stock rear height camber will be just slightly positive, barely noticeable.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

Thank you all so much. I'll re-try it again with the new knowledge but what the heck, if it doesn't work I'll have a new angle gauge and the more I think about it, a little sag isn't all that bad!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

voremus wrote:
Thank you all so much. I'll re-try it again with the new knowledge but what the heck, if it doesn't work I'll have a new angle gauge and the more I think about it, a little sag isn't all that bad!!


It will work, just keep fiddling until you get the spring plate angle right. I can't stress enough, you have to have the car level side to side or it will boink your angles all up. I use a level across the frame horns at the transmission. I had to shim one arm on the lift a little bit to get it level, then everything fell in place nicely. Once you get it level side to side, set the angle tool on the bottom door jamb and zero it. That will make it accurate for that spring plate. Then zero it again on the other door jamb to do that spring.

This is a good time to replace the torsion bar bushings, by the way. Talcum powder is the proper lube for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Raised Rear End..Axles Won't Settle Reply with quote

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voremus wrote:
…a little sag isn't all that bad!!

A little bit of an ass-sag huh… have you ever replaced your spring plate bushings? Worn-out spring plate bushings would exaggerate the factory stance into a noticeable sag.

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