What Brakes are these ??

[Sasquatch10K]

Hello Split Bus
I was sent here by another forum member as it is believed you can help me identify my brakes

I jumped the gun and ordered a rear set of brakes/cylinders/Drums - without really knowing what I had.

dumb - naive - newbie. I thought that it was mostly a 66 Type 1 - so that's what I ordered. --Wrong!!


My existing shoes and drums are wider than the new drums and shoes.

1. Stuff I ordered was Amazon prime so it can all go back - if none of it will work
2. any ideas what brakes these are and what year
3 it's got GRB"s
4 has a 36mm Castle Nut


Any help or advice would be much appreciated

I also know that surprisingly what was found inside does not look that bad - one option I guess is to clean, ck for leaks, adjust it and bleed, and button it back up.... But I still will need to know what I have there for future reference And yeah, no parking brakes ...

[Eric&Barb]

Type 2 1955-63.
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[Eric&Barb]

What is the part number inside the rear brake drum??
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[Sasquatch10K]

looks like it is 211501615 then a big dent... then below that there is a 10... - but I could be misreading it.

[Eric&Barb]

[70bus]

211501615A - brake drum, rear, from chassis number 20-117 902 to 1-144 281. From June 55 to June 56 rear brake drum. Pretty specific brake drum!
Needs brake shoes, 40 (MM?), 211609537E for same chasiis #s.

If that's a rare RGB setup you might consider selling it and getting a more recent one with easier-to-find parts.
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[70bus]

You might also get clearer pics of (or just write down and post here) the part numbers on that rear bearing housing and the brake cylinders. Heck, look for numbers on the RGB box as well. I can't see them clearly enough to say for sure but some of the parts might be a mish-mash. The bearing cover should be 211501301 but doesn't look like it. Brake cylinder 211611069. Again, fzzy pic but doesn't look like yours.

Best to know exactly what you have before ordering stuff. I mean, that engine isn't from a 61! LOL
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Raoul the 65 singlecab

Karl the 70 nine-seater

[AlteWagen]

Nice set up! Johnson no hop conversion with limiting straps! The reduction boxes give a ton of clearance and drive nice with large buggy tires! Wondering if you have the early kit with the regular rods or later with the corvette parts
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[Sasquatch10K]

only you can help me out here....

I don't even speak VW or BUS or TYPE1 or BUGGY language yet... I am like a baby in this world. I am still trying to figure it all out. I don't even know which sub forum to post questions into, so I have been bouncing around. ---I am just a ford guy who has built up a few old FJ-40's and Fiats as well..

Corvette parts made me laugh!! - shrug. This thing is a major frankenbuggy.

The tires were so rotten I was afraid to tow it home - and not knowing if the GRB 's have a max speed before blowing themselves or the diff up - I never got it over 40mph ....

The guy I bought it from had a completely destroyed type1 engine it - and tossed his 1973 ??? 1700??? type4 bus motor in it to sell it - and we went bopping around in it. I am just working my way thru it now to get it road worthy/safe and then to make decisions on tire replacement - looking to find max cruising speed - as I want to go: Trailer to camp to road to trail. I don't know if with the current ring and pinion, tires and GRB's what speed it might do - I am only looking for a max of 50 for very short periods and 45 for longer. so I will plot the RPM+SPEED curve in 4th at a couple different safe speeds - umm max 25MPH?? (with dry rot so bad you can actually see the air inside of the tires or stick you finger into cracks in the side walls- yeah) and then extrapolate what higher speeds and RPM will be... possibly a taller tire (or same size) --- or get the tranny out. The guy I bought it from had used it for more major offroad (Low Low) - easter jeep safari etc. It is a Type1 transaxle pre 66?? (shrug) with single swing axles - but no clue what is inside ANY of it.

I feel bad posting this non purist photo into you all's Split Bus forum - sorry in advance. - Bring on the "take that abomination out of our house" comments - LOL

[sled]

ok a few things. as previously mentioned your transaxle and brakes are 61-62 split bus "small nut" with a "tunnel case" center section. The reduction boxes have a 1.39 gear ratio and the transaxle likely has a 4.12 ring and pinion with 3.80/2.06/1.22/.82 gears.

its possible that the reduction gears are the one year only 1963 1.26 gears, but unlikely. It's also possible that some gearing inside the center section has been changed as well, but unlikely.

with tall tires 27-28" like a 215/75r15, you should be able to cruise at 60mph easily.


that does NOT have the Johnson "no hop" kit installed, it just has basic reduction box adapters. The Johnson no hop kit has an additional link arm that is below the spring plate, that essentially creates a four link suspension.

to run parking brake cables, you will need to source some 55-62 bus cables and shorten them with new swedged-on ends at the handle end.

your existing brake shoes are obviously new, or very close to. I would replace all the rubber hoses and flush the whole brake system and then bleed again.
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[sled]

Good eye!! I think you’re right. My mistake! I zoomed in on the other picture but it’s fuzzy and a bad angle so I couldn’t make it out.

A Johnson kit is a huge upgrade. Bonus!
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[AlteWagen]

The part number seems to be a misprint or early manual going up to 62. E&Bis correct the number comes back to 55-63 parts.

Seeing how modified the buggy is there is no way to know for sure what ratios are in the rgb or trans. Does it still have the bus gearing or get the bug gears like most rebuilders use. It doesnt look like the rare 63 only 1 ton brakes or rgb stuff. Do the reduction boxes have the rare alpine 1.6 gears? Before saying its ok to ride on the freeway some calculations should be done. Those bfgs look like they are 31s, you will have to get a tach to see what rpm you are at what speed at the very least. Best would be to count rotations then check against charts with different ratio calculations to see whats most likely. Use the below link to use the spread sheets to see different combinations


https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/rgb_calc.php



With stock bus gearing (4.12 with .82 4th) Im at 3000 rpm at 62mph with 215/75/15 bfgs. I put some 7.00x15s (29in) on and brought down rpm a few hundred at the same speed. Type I gears (4.12 with .89 or .93 4th) will have higher rpm.
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[Sasquatch10K]

you guys are on point here....

It does have Jamar cutting brakes tween the seats -- well to clarify - it actually has NO BRAKES right now - which has made it a bit interesting test driving to work out kinks - hence the working efforts on the brakes to get thru those issues.

It also does have the lower link - it is square tube

Also there is a sun tach neatly mounted - so I can plot the RPM / speed curve and calc for tire size to see if I hit my targets. I may count rotations also and chart it up

[Eric&Barb]