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Honuak
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 Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| The channel designed to take the mounting screws lines up with the vanagon opening. Very tricky (two people would have been better) job drilling the holes correctly spaced but the galley side window is in. IMHO the custom made windows that fit into the stock window frame and use that seal are a better design. The screws and the air gap space/seals are not as elegant. |
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| The camper busses had a grey seal on the interior that gave the install a more “finished” look. It covered the screws and the gap between the jalousie and the body seam. |
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dobryan 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| Honuak wrote: |
| The channel designed to take the mounting screws lines up with the vanagon opening. Very tricky (two people would have been better) job drilling the holes correctly spaced but the galley side window is in. IMHO the custom made windows that fit into the stock window frame and use that seal are a better design. The screws and the air gap space/seals are not as elegant. |
I am really not a fan of that mounting method. Every bay window bus I have seen has rusty holes from those screw penetrations. It is a shame that you had to do this to your Vanagon.
But I am sure you will love the ventilation! 
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Honuak
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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The heratage parts (Thailand made?) units come with an inner and outer seal. The inner seal is cosmetic and covers the screw heads. Thoretically the outer seal would keep water out but I have doubts. The window is not permanantly installed just yet.
It sure seems like a person could cut and trim these to fit the "normal" window seal. It would move the whole unit inboard slightly.. Not sure why they are designed the way they are but they do fit/work and are nicely made. |
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tjet
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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I just got an idea from a show I'm watching. What if you installed aluminum panels to replace the glass? You can still ventilate your van, but you have the ability to go full dark
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mtnhome
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mtnhome
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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Happy to report that the two screens I received have perfect frames and each has a small 1-1/2 - 2" tear in the screen. Easily repaired or replaced. I see they still have some on their clearance sale.
Now I need to get these things reassembled and installed before Syncro Solstice....
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mtnhome
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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I finally got around to trying to assemble the two jalousie windows I have. Over time, I completely disassembled them since they were in pretty rough shape, bead blasted all the parts and had them anodized black.
So far I have been unable to get anywhere installing the glass into the frame parts. I've tried silicone grease, rubbing alcohol, and petroleum jelly to lubricate both the seal and the frame. Nothing has worked. Makes me wonder how the factory assembled these. It almost seems the seals are just a bit too thick. The seals are West Coast Metric.
I've read every thread/article and watched every video I can find.
Has anyone had extreme difficulty assembling these and found a solution?
On top of this, I never unwrapped all of the neatly wrapped parts when I picked them up from the anodizing outfit and now discover I'm missing one of the long top frame parts for the glass frames. So if anyone has a trashed or parts jalousie window, I'd love to get this piece from you.
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dobryan
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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When I did ours, I purchased the seal kit from GW. There was no way I was going to get the glass and new seal into the pane frame. I actually broke a piece of glass. I’m am usually very careful, but that old glass broke just looking at it funny.
Fortunately I had purchased an extra assembly at the time. I don’t have the part you seek. We moved and I just kept a few assembled window panes. Also, I had only disassembled on pane. I surrendered. My refurbished assemblies have all the original glass seals and it has not been a problem.
It sounds like all of yours are apart for annodize. The offer of help from a member would be hard to pass on. I think you could get a decent result using clear silicone instead of a seal. You could tape the glass and frame to avoid making a big mess. |
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dobryan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| MarkWard wrote: |
When I did ours, I purchased the seal kit from GW. There was no way I was going to get the glass and new seal into the pane frame. I actually broke a piece of glass. I’m am usually very careful, but that old glass broke just looking at it funny.
Fortunately I had purchased an extra assembly at the time. I don’t have the part you seek. We moved and I just kept a few assembled window panes. Also, I had only disassembled on pane. I surrendered. My refurbished assemblies have all the original glass seals and it has not been a problem.
It sounds like all of yours are apart for annodize. The offer of help from a member would be hard to pass on. I think you could get a decent result using clear silicone instead of a seal. You could tape the glass and frame to avoid making a big mess. |
I have done 5 sets of these with new seals. All went together with effort but got done. NO broken glass. Dang that tempered glass is strong, I cannot imagine breaking it by hand. (Don't ask me what happened the time when I tried to carefully cut it shorter with a cut off disc....  )
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mtnhome
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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After talking with dobryan,the OG of jalousie windows in a Vanagon, I proceeded to get the first window assembled and installed.
I used the Ryan Keating method and used the slider frame to mount the windw. Since I have an "84, both middle windows are the same size.
I did do a couple of things a little differently.
Instead of using rivits for the operators and crank mechanism, I bought some Chicago Screws and used Loctite when assembling. This allowed me to tighten them just right, then let the Loctite set.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076J9SKC3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DNM7KXG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
When I was looking at fitting the assembled window into the slider frame, I decided it was a hassle to get it around the window on each attempt, so I just cut the frame in two opposite the original joint. Now it was easy to slide the top and bottom part on and off to check fit. I had to file a bit in the corners to clear the window frame and corner screws. I assembled the frame and window with fast curing urethane auto window adhesive/sealant. I used a bit of epoxy on the joints.
Super happy with how this turned out. Apprecitae all the inspiration and info shared on the Samba.
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Smurf
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| Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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I know this is from a ways back but I have some questions…
What are you fitting on the other side of this frame to fit into the slider? The opening for the window in the original frame is much thicker (for sliders) than the thin aluminum frame of the jalousie. People mention they silicone the jalousie in but that means I could forcibly push on your jalousie window frame and it would collapse inward? I just don’t see how this could work without adding materials to the inner part of the OG frame. Please help me understand. Thanks
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Smurf
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| The slider frame is closed around the jalousie window, it can't go anywhere, it's replicating the glass dimensions. Look at the pics I posted. |
You put the frame in the smaller channel instead of the slider channel with the felt? Doesn’t that flip the window frame from outside to inside with the drainage holes on the inside? Sorry just trying to wrap my head around this. I have a set of jealousies and I’d love to do this! Thanks
This shows the thing jalousie frame vs the wider window channel from the slider. So you flip the frame from inside out to use the smaller channel?
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dobryan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| The slider frame is closed around the jalousie window, it can't go anywhere, it's replicating the glass dimensions. Look at the pics I posted. |
You put the frame in the smaller channel instead of the slider channel with the felt? Doesn’t that flip the window frame from outside to inside with the drainage holes on the inside? Sorry just trying to wrap my head around this. I have a set of jealousies and I’d love to do this! Thanks
This shows the thing jalousie frame vs the wider window channel from the slider. So you flip the frame from inside out to use the smaller channel? |
I am not sure what you are asking?
The method shows removing parts of the original jalousie frame and adding aluminum strips to it to simulate the Vanagon window size so it can use the Vanagon window gasket.
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Smurf
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I am not sure what you are asking? |
Im trying to wrap my head around the idea of fitting it into the existing slider window frame like others have done instead of adding metal. The OG slider frame has two channels. One thicker channel where the felt goes into on the slider and the other for stationary glass in the OG slider.
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dobryan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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| dobryan wrote: |
I am not sure what you are asking? |
Im trying to wrap my head around the idea of fitting it into the existing slider window frame like others have done instead of adding metal. The OG slider frame has two channels. One thicker channel where the felt goes into on the slider and the other for stationary glass in the OG slider. |
Ah. Now I get it.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Jalousie (louvered) windows in a Vanagon |
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The Vanagon windows intact have their own value. Oddly bus owners like them. It’s interesting how they are grafting the Vanagon frame and the jalousie assembly. I imagine you need to fatten the jalousie frame even in the Vanagon frame to get it right.
I feel I got a clean result adding aluminum to the jalousie frame to fit the Vanagon window seal directly. I’ve since sold 2 Vanagon slider assemblies. |
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