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Shonandb 
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| chrisflstf wrote: |
The above comment is 3 years old from the prior admin
24 % of people who died of heart related issues, in the period of 2 years after the vaccine, died within 48 hours of getting the jab.
This was just released about 3 weeks ago. |
Coincidentally, around the same time as the claim that Tylenol use is linked to Autism.....
I find it hard to believe anything we see in the news and media lately as people are just saying what the want to in an attempt to influence or control others.
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mrinnovation1
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Exactly why I trust my doctor. |
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chickengeorge
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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I just do what my wife tells me.
1. I get the shot -nothing happens, she's happy and life is easy.
2. I get the shot -I die and it's her fault.
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Xevin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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I have friends who are not a fan of Covid vaccines or willing to get an FDA approved Covid vaccine shots because of potential side effects and other reasons. However, they don’t seem worried about the side effects of FDA approved Ozempic jabs.
https://www.ozempic.com/prescribing-information.html
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crofty
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Xevin wrote: |
I have friends who are not a fan of Covid vaccines or willing to get an FDA approved Covid vaccine shots because of potential side effects and other reasons. However, they don’t seem worried about the side effects of FDA approved Ozempic jabs.
https://www.ozempic.com/prescribing-information.html |
Thoughts and Prayers for their perineum.
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mrinnovation1
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Getting a vaccine is like wearing a seatbelt. The benefits far outweigh the risks. |
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| mrinnovation1 wrote: |
| Getting a vaccine is like wearing a seatbelt. The benefits far outweigh the risks. |
Not really the same risk level. Plus the seat belt has been well proven over decades of use Where as the shot was rushed into use, with little testing on the long term effects, or side effects.
Plus one can wear a seat belt, then decide to stop using a seatbelt at anytime, where as once that shot has been given, it is in your body, you cant turn that back. One can not "unbuckle" that shot once given.
I got very ill from the shot, so I am done with it, wont take it again. It is offered to me and I say no, never get any pushback from my doctors on that choice either. Never got the virus, I am low risk for harm from the virus, not over weight, exercise, eat right. All through the lock down I kept kayaking, many times I was the only soul on the Bay in sight as others locked themselves down.
What is very insulting is those that say folks that made that choice are Darwin Award winners, or should be banned from things in society. I can assure you that if I did get sick, I would have isolated. I dont need to be banned from doing things do to my informed choice.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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What is very insulting is those that say folks that made that choice are Darwin Award winners, or should be banned from things in society. I can assure you that if I did get sick, I would have isolated. I dont need to be banned from doing things do to my informed choice. |
This.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Shonandb wrote: |
Coincidentally, around the same time as the claim that Tylenol use is linked to Autism.....
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Not just Tylenol use. A very specific set of parameters surrounding Tylenol use. Even the company that makes Tylenol released a statement long ago saying DO NOT use our product if you are pregnant. They also spun off the segment that manufactures Tylenol to insulate them form future lawsuits. That's not suspicious at all.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:07 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| zerotofifty wrote: |
| mrinnovation1 wrote: |
| Getting a vaccine is like wearing a seatbelt. The benefits far outweigh the risks. |
Not really the same risk level. Plus the seat belt has been well proven over decades of use Where as the shot was rushed into use, with little testing on the long term effects, or side effects.
Plus one can wear a seat belt, then decide to stop using a seatbelt at anytime, where as once that shot has been given, it is in your body, you cant turn that back. One can not "unbuckle" that shot once given.
I got very ill from the shot, so I am done with it, wont take it again. It is offered to me and I say no, never get any pushback from my doctors on that choice either. Never got the virus, I am low risk for harm from the virus, not over weight, exercise, eat right. All through the lock down I kept kayaking, many times I was the only soul on the Bay in sight as others locked themselves down.
What is very insulting is those that say folks that made that choice are Darwin Award winners, or should be banned from things in society. I can assure you that if I did get sick, I would have isolated. I dont need to be banned from doing things do to my informed choice. |
There’s another difference in that analogy.
Not wearing a seat belt only impacts your safety ( and safety of others in your car)
Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice.
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crofty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:14 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Shonandb wrote: |
Coincidentally, around the same time as the claim that Tylenol use is linked to Autism.....
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Not just Tylenol use. A very specific set of parameters surrounding Tylenol use. Even the company that makes Tylenol released a statement long ago saying DO NOT use our product if you are pregnant. They also spun off the segment that manufactures Tylenol to insulate them form future lawsuits. That's not suspicious at all. |
"But Kennedy, a long-time anti-vaccine advocate, and Trump focused their attention on two other factors that they said could be linked to autism: acetaminophen and vaccines. Decades of research have not uncovered a reproducible link between vaccines and autism.
“The evidence does not support a causal link between acetaminophen or vaccines and autism,” says Sura Alwan, a clinical teratologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, and executive director of the PEAR-Net Society, a non-profit organization in Vancouver advocating for maternal–fetal health and research. “Suggesting otherwise may fuel misinformation and undermine confidence in safe treatments and immunizations.”
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:23 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. |
I saw a TV commercial yesterday showing a mom and her kid getting vaccinated for flu at Walgreens. The commercial ends showing that the mom is pregnant, also implying that the vaccine is safe for expectant mothers.
All must remember the tremendous profits the pharmaceutical companies make on vaccines and medicines. 65% of Americans take prescription drugs, with 26% taking 4 or more. TV commercials CONSTANTLY bombard pharmaceuticals as being the solution to their problems....and interactions of different over the counter and prescribed pharmaceuticals are not fully understood.....
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:35 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| crofty wrote: |
| cdennisg wrote: |
| Shonandb wrote: |
Coincidentally, around the same time as the claim that Tylenol use is linked to Autism.....
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Not just Tylenol use. A very specific set of parameters surrounding Tylenol use. Even the company that makes Tylenol released a statement long ago saying DO NOT use our product if you are pregnant. They also spun off the segment that manufactures Tylenol to insulate them form future lawsuits. That's not suspicious at all. |
"But Kennedy, a long-time anti-vaccine advocate, and Trump focused their attention on two other factors that they said could be linked to autism: acetaminophen and vaccines. Decades of research have not uncovered a reproducible link between vaccines and autism.
“The evidence does not support a causal link between acetaminophen or vaccines and autism,” says Sura Alwan, a clinical teratologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, and executive director of the PEAR-Net Society, a non-profit organization in Vancouver advocating for maternal–fetal health and research. “Suggesting otherwise may fuel misinformation and undermine confidence in safe treatments and immunizations.” |
So why would the company that developed and produced Tylenol clearly proclaim NOT to use it during pregnancy? They obviously know something, and they obviously are trying to insulate themselves from responsibility for what may come because of it.
I'm not proclaiming any clear link, either. But I do find the wording about Kennedy's "anti-vaccine" claims to always be a bit suspicious. From what I can gather, it's not necessarily anti-vax as much as it is questioning giving dozens of vaccines in a very short period of time into an infant or toddler.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:45 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice. |
If you are making this statement in regards to the Covid 19 vaccine, it is 100% wrong. It never stopped the spread of the virus, and was never tested for that issue previous to release for public use.
Thousands of people lost their careers and businesses because they refused to be forced into an experimental vaccine.
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chrisflstf
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:54 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Losing society privileges from vaccine refusal is what kings and authoritarians want. |
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 9:09 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Losing society privileges from vaccine refusal is what kings and authoritarians want. |
Bingo.
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zerotofifty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 9:27 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| Abscate wrote: |
| zerotofifty wrote: |
| mrinnovation1 wrote: |
| Getting a vaccine is like wearing a seatbelt. The benefits far outweigh the risks. |
Not really the same risk level. Plus the seat belt has been well proven over decades of use Where as the shot was rushed into use, with little testing on the long term effects, or side effects.
Plus one can wear a seat belt, then decide to stop using a seatbelt at anytime, where as once that shot has been given, it is in your body, you cant turn that back. One can not "unbuckle" that shot once given.
I got very ill from the shot, so I am done with it, wont take it again. It is offered to me and I say no, never get any pushback from my doctors on that choice either. Never got the virus, I am low risk for harm from the virus, not over weight, exercise, eat right. All through the lock down I kept kayaking, many times I was the only soul on the Bay in sight as others locked themselves down.
What is very insulting is those that say folks that made that choice are Darwin Award winners, or should be banned from things in society. I can assure you that if I did get sick, I would have isolated. I dont need to be banned from doing things do to my informed choice. |
There’s another difference in that analogy.
Not wearing a seat belt only impacts your safety ( and safety of others in your car)
Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice. |
Me not getting the shot is not a threat to society. To take away my liberty for refusing the shot is just plain wrong. It would be different if I was actually sick and in danger of spreading some horrible illness, but that aint the case if my only sin is not getting the shot. As long as I am healthy, you aint taking my liberty, my liberty is my RIGHT not a privilege. You are free to get the shot, you are free to wear a mask, lock your self down, not go to work, etc.... Me not having a shot wont effect you.
Good grief, you sure are quick to deny liberty to others, perhaps you should move to red china so you may enjoy that kind of society you desire. It aint happening here, not without a fight. 
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Shonandb
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:00 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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This is a slippery slope and I'll stay away from the "Kings and authoritarians" comments as there are currently examples of "tow the line or else" in the news every day.
I don't believe anyone was deliberately trying to take away anyone's liberty during the Covid19 days but it was an emergency strategy adopted to simply keep people home so that there was less of a chance of catching the sickness and ending up clogging the ICUs.
As I heard from local health care workers (emergency staff, nurses, doctors, hospital management, health authority heads), my understanding was that the issue is/was that unvaccinated people ended up in the ICU (Intensive Care Units) 6 to 10 times more often than vaccinated people which in many cases crippled ICU capacity to care for other illnesses and emergency care.
Anyway, life moves on and I'll be out driving my Bus this afternoon and camping this weekend.
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crofty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:14 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| cdennisg wrote: |
| Abscate wrote: |
Not getting vaccinated directly threatens the rest of society. That’s why you lose privileges for your choice. |
If you are making this statement in regards to the Covid 19 vaccine, it is 100% wrong. It never stopped the spread of the virus, and was never tested for that issue previous to release for public use.
Thousands of people lost their careers and businesses because they refused to be forced into an experimental vaccine. |
Millions lost their lives from it- 7 Million worldwide. 13.6 Billion doses administered.
'Among 6,688,231 individuals who received COVID-19 vaccination, 55 deaths were reported as of January 8, 2021. The mortality rate of COVID-19 vaccination was 8.2 per million population (Table 1). A total of 37 deaths were reported in long-term care facilities when 693,246 residents are vaccinated."
The vaccine was politicized. Its that simple. Not taking it was a stand against something... Losing liberty or not trusting medicine. Funny how those voices are so quiet nowadays...
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crofty
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:20 am Post subject: Re: What the heck! Its just another needle..... |
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| cdennisg wrote: |
| chrisflstf wrote: |
| Losing society privileges from vaccine refusal is what kings and authoritarians want. |
Bingo. |
Do either of you have kids?
kids out here have to be vaccinated for:
Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)
Polio (OPV or IPV)
Hepatitis B
Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR)
Varicella (Chickenpox)
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