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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:16 am    Post subject: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Did you ever dream about a 356 breather for your 36hp engine?
If no, you're lucky. Because ideas like these keep you awake at night. But I like challenges to be honest...
I own a '60 beetle with an engine which is pretty much on it's last legs. It's got a lot of blowby. Last year I actually saw the gases and fumes escaping right onto the road when I looked under the car. Not good for the environment and the other people on the road. "I have to connect the breather with the air cleaner" I thought. I didn't knew that these breathers for 36hp already exist. Plus I really like the look of the breather for the 356 A and B engines. So I decided to built a custom breather that has both- connection for air cleaner and the look of the porsche part.

I would like to give you a kind of guidance here so you can build one yourself. If you want to know something, just pm me.

Right, let's get started; That's what the original looks like:

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We start withe main body. It's made of 0.8mm sheet metal.

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I tried to keep it as primitive as possible. This is the bottom piece

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The two parts tack welded together.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:59 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for sharing this idea, will follow with interests!😎
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Interesting 🙂

I got less blowby when I changed from mineral to semisynthetic oil some years ago. Probably cleaned up mineral oil deposits from the piston rings. Can't think of any other reasons. Took an oil change before I noted the difference. Used Valvoline Maxlife 10w40. Of course, I was only lucky. Normally the cylinders and rings are worn out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

What are you going to put inside the breather? Are you going to create some sort of baffle, or will you just use a stainless steel scrub pad?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:29 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

@Kjell Roar
Thanks for the information. I should change the oil anyway after 5 years Embarassed
But the engine gets really hot as well. Oil temps around 125°C are possible even with a clean cooling system. I'm wondering how this engine is still running.

@gimmesomeshelter
I'm going to use 3 baffles just like Porsche did back then. They are not too complicated to make.


I will post some new pics next week. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Let's continue:

The main body- or cup is seam welded to prevent it from leaking. I used a tig welder and ground the seams down afterwards.
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After that I found out that the exaust pipe of a 36hp industrial engine fits perfectly into the generator stand of the engine. (32mm daimeter)

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To weld everything in position I made a small jig

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Tack welded togehter

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Next thing to do was making the baffles. There are three in total. Two of them are made the same way like the bottom piece. I drilled two holes in each piece and welded on some straps. The upper one is a bit more primitive. The inner lip is just cut out and bent downwards.

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Now it was time to weld the first baffle into position. A spot welder makes live much easier here.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

This is a neat project, but I would think making an adapter is simpler and easier? This is the one I need to finish. I used a stock 36hp muffler flange. Made some simple cuts in the pipe to shrink it and then will weld a 36hp oil filler tab to it. Bang. Done!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

If you just want to use the porsche part instead of the VW part you are perfectly right. Thanks for the idea and the pic. Did you test fit the breather? Does the pipe match the hole in the engine tin?

My ambition was to connect the breather to the air cleaner because blowby. And I didn't want to hack the original porsche part.

Mr.Ragtop wrote:
This is a neat project, but I would think making an adapter is simpler and easier? This is the one I need to finish. I used a stock 36hp muffler flange. Made some simple cuts in the pipe to shrink it and then will weld a 36hp oil filler tab to it. Bang. Done!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

sleepywiesel wrote:
If you just want to use the porsche part instead of the VW part you are perfectly right. Thanks for the idea and the pic. Did you test fit the breather? Does the pipe match the hole in the engine tin?

My ambition was to connect the breather to the air cleaner because blowby. And I didn't want to hack the original porsche part.

Mr.Ragtop wrote:
This is a neat project, but I would think making an adapter is simpler and easier? This is the one I need to finish. I used a stock 36hp muffler flange. Made some simple cuts in the pipe to shrink it and then will weld a 36hp oil filler tab to it. Bang. Done!


I understand the breather to an extent. None of the cars came with a set up like that stock because it’s not needed on a stock engine. Also, the part I made was so you don’t have to modify a Porsche filler. It just bolts on like stock and the adapter bolts on and fits into the case like stock. You have don’t a great job in making it though!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Well, in the beginning of the 60s every VW engine got a connection from oil filler to air filter. So I would say that it is reasonable even on stock engines. But in the 50s nobody cared about that obviously.

Anyway, let's move on with the cap.
If you look at the original you can see a notch. It keeps the seal in the cap when you open it.
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I cut out a strip and pressed the notch in:
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Bent:
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The upper piece was just hammered on a primitive wooden mold.
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I trimmed the strap to fit the two pieces togehter
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Welded and trimmed:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

eye wood make it out of aluminum...no tig required, just use the muggy weld rods9 low temp aluminum brazing rods) they work awesome on thin aluminum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

A sign of a Craftsman, Nicework.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Thanks Ted2 Very Happy
@Mark Tucker: Aluminum would be awesome! Thanks for the inspiration. I really like to work with aluminum but I never welded it. I normaly use rivets like on an aeroplane Cool

When you compare the clip on the porsche part with the original 36hp air filter, you will notice some similarities. But the clip itself is longer than the vw part. What to do? Welding will damage the spring steel and I didn't want to buy a whole new spring metal plate for a small strip Rolling Eyes
So I tried to find something else. And I did eventually Laughing

It was some kind of scraper. I cut off a 10mm strip
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The material is a bit thinner than the original but should work anyhow
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I had to heat it up a bit to get it in the right shape
From left to right: Porsche part, selfmade, 36hp air cleaner clip
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The clip mount was easy to make. Just a piece of sheat metal with two holes in it
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Monut welded into position
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With clip in place
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After that I was allowed to weld the second baffle in place. The holes are turned by 180 degrees to make the gases go round a corner
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Time to put the tube for the hose in
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At a swamp market I found an original air filter with a connection tube. Made life much easier Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

I saw that I quoted myself here.
Would be nice if the admin could delete this one if possible?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Awesome work... I’d like to see your spot welder. 5 years, no oil change?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

anthracitedub wrote:
Awesome work... I’d like to see your spot welder. 5 years, no oil change?


Thanks! There you go:
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Well... I barely drive the car. It runs propably 100 miles a year. In addition to that my shop burned down in 2015 (car wasn't in it) and I lost interest in that stuff due to that. But since a few weeks I'm in the shop more regularly again.

Let's go on with small stuff. Hinge time. To stay as original as possible I made one on my own.
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I also produced the seal for the cap. I used 4mm cork material. It stays in the cap when you open it.
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Everything put together:
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Last baffle welded in:
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As you can see, the hinge is a bit turned around so the open cap clears the cable from the alternator. It didn't really work out but I left it this way.
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Since the porsche and the original VW part both have a metal pipe going downwards, I decided to add that to my breather as well, even when it is useless. I cut up a 40hp oil filler and modified the pipe
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The next thing to do was to figure out how to fix this thing to the engine. I bent a 1,5mm steel plate which acts as a clamp. To bridge the gap to the engine case I turned a small aluminum disc.

To give the clip some grip I welded a nose onto the cap.
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And we're done with the metal work
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Of course there has to be some paint involved
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And the finished product Cool
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But I still need to rebuild the engine Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Can you make me one 👏👏👏
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

the only problem i see with that is that you made it so well no one will believe it is home made.

superb workmanship.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:33 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

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Can you make me one 👏👏👏


I'm sorry I don't have time at the moment Confused
But I can give you drawings and dimensions so you can make one Smile

henry roberts wrote:
the only problem i see with that is that you made it so well no one will believe it is home made.

superb workmanship.


Thanks very much!
I think I can live with that Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: DIY Porsche 356 breather for 36hp engine Reply with quote

Great skills! You can be proud of the final product!

I never thought about having a Porsche breather on my 36hp, but now I want one Very Happy
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