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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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What could be next?

Thanks! This is way up there on my spring camping hit-list: https://taylorbasecamp.com/2016/03/04/sky-rock-rosetta-stone-13-moons. Part of the fun is that the best practice these days is to keep locations of these secret, so it takes a fair amount of research and map/imagery work to nail down exactly where they might be. I have enough confidence that I have these located to justify the 4-hr drive. The next step to start mapping in some of the nearby good hot springs...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Echoing the comments above, I always look forward to seeing this thread being updated and often travel vicariously through the posts.

With respect to Sky Rock, it remains on my road trip bucket list and while I have somewhat narrowed down its location, I am looking forward to the on-site sleuthing when we hit the Yosemite area hopefully in 2023. Thanks for posting.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

For me, the fun is in the hunt, the thrill of the find, and the peacefulness that comes afterwards from just being in the deep silence and historical context of the setting.

I picked up the bug during an extended backpacking trip into Grand Gulch in SE Utah just after the first Gulf War and spending lots of time with the many magnificent panels and dwellings in that canyon. On that trip we ran into Ken Sleight (Seldom Seen Smith from Ed Abby's Monkey Wrench Gang book) and talked with the group of archeologists that he was leading in on pack llamas to hold a meeting in the confluence to use the Wetherill's original diaries to find and repatriate the Ancestral Puebloan (aka Anasazi) mummies and supply caches that they dug up in the canyon and sold off to the eastern museums and universities around the turn of the last century. That trip, coupled with the rapid emergence of Hantavirus HFRS in the southwest right about then, made for some just-plausible-enough-to-possibly-be-true campfire ghost stories to scare the kids with in the following years about the dangers of plundering sites and disturbing old pots & graves containing ancient plagues against which we moderns no longer have any defenses.

The Crow's Nest petroglyphs are less than 10 miles from our house: https://www.nvrockart.org/pages/Crows_nest.html It's a small, not well-known, site that the locals keep the coordinates of tightly held. I've been chasing them for 2 years and have made several unsuccessful trips out to the area to try to locate the site. But, now, after a bunch more research this winter, I think I may have finally pinned the location down.

On the trail to Crow's Nest, Westy for scale.
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I'm saving the 1000-panel Lagomarsino complex, also about 10 miles away, as a treat for after I finally find Crow's Nest.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Nice! I'd love to go exploring with you some time. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Earlier this week, the replacement gasoline evap/vapor tank that Carl/mtnhome so kindly gave to me arrived.

Thanks, Carl!

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In short order the cracked tank was out and Carl's was in.
I took the opportunity to wrap it in a couple layers of aluminum tape to give it a bit more protection from tire-flung debris.
Looking at that nice out-of-stock aluminum tank, the frugal part of me wondered why one couldn't plumb both sides of the gas tank into a single evap/vapor tank located on the side opposite where you fill the gasoline.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

These tanks provide room for the cold gas coming out of the ground to expand. 55º underground and 104º on a hot summer day. 16 gallons of gas will expand over a gallon. Don't know the volume of a single one. Maybe a gallon, so to be safe, they have two. But in reality, you don't put 16 cold gallons in. Maybe 14. And then you leave the station and go some where. In 20 miles, you now only have 15 gallons to heat up and a single tank should be fine.

Better to think of them as expansion tanks, not vapor tanks although they do collect vapor and send it to the charcoal canister. The Syncro solves the problem by having the fill pipe below the top of the tank so there is air space left at the top when the nozzle clicks off.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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The Syncro solves the problem by having the fill pipe below the top of the tank so there is air space left at the top when the nozzle clicks off.

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What? AFAIK Neither tank operates this way. Take a careful look at them.

And Gasoline's volume changes approximately 1 percent for every 15-degree temperature change, according to the U.S. Government Accounting Office.Feb 1, 2019. That equates to an expansion of 3% from 55 to 100 degrees. 3% of 16 gallons is 1/2 gallon.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

OK--once again my prediction that the Dow would go to 10k after covid and that this: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-volkswagen-bus-27/ would not top 125 show a pattern of not getting things right. I made my comments after spending quite a bit of time investigating adding an aux 15 gallon fuel tank over the tranny of my 1WD tintop. Did the research and came up with.............apparently the wrong info.

Bottom line, one expansion/vapor/evap tank should do fine.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

OK--once again my prediction that the Dow would go to 10k after covid and that this: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-volkswagen-bus-27/ would not top 125 show a pattern of not getting things right. I made my comments after spending quite a bit of time investigating adding an aux 15 gallon fuel tank over the tranny of my 1WD tintop. Did the research and came up with.............apparently the wrong info.

Bottom line, one expansion/vapor/evap tank should do fine.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

It is true that Syncro tanks have their expansion space inside the top of the tank, essentially 2 expansion "tanks" built in.

All vans have a filler vent hose to let air escape as the tank fills with gas.
2wd has that vent hose connected at the highest point of the tank and thus the 2wd tank can be filled completely. That is why the external expansion tanks in 2wd, so a completely full tank has a contained place for expanding fuel to go.

In Syncro the filler vent hose attaches slightly down from the highest point of the tank and thus the tank can't be filled completely before the pump shuts off. The remaining space is the expansion space. There is a slight valley down the middle of the tank top and this divides the expansion space into two sections. There is a rollover valve in each section to let air out as the fuel slowly expands.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Mark, Thanks for that clarification.

Sanchius, sorry for the hijack.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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Sanchius, sorry for the hijack.

No hijack, I asked the original question in an open ended fashion knowing there are lots of bright folks here with good insights on how these systems work. This is precisely the topic exploration that I expected and hoped would occur. Thanks all!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

And thanks, Mark for bailing me out. My calculation of gas expanding a gallon was based on the stock tank of 16 gallons plus my aux of 15. Sorry I forgot that was how I came up with a gallon.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

It's Tuna Tuesday!!!

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She spent most of the day helping the church ladies and I pack and deliver food to the Reno poor. 45 boxes, a new record, that's about 1000lbs of food to those who need it most. Plus we distributed about $1000 in privately donated rent and gasoline assistance to cover several elderly people who were on the verge of being evicted and ending up on the streets.

Tunes gets lots of attention and breaks the ice as an unexpected emotional connect for a lot of alone folks who might not otherwise reach out to us. While the donated food comes from St Vincent de Paul/Catholic Charities of Northern Nevada, all these deliveries are completely secular and nonjudgmental, with the sole goal of relieving misery. It's really cool having the Westy getting so well known now that when we pull up to a place like this, the able bodied residents come out to assist us getting boxes to those there who are not ambulatory.

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Yeah!!! Deliveries are done, time for a long afternoon walk in the park!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

This whole thread is such a "feel good" thread. Certainly brings hope to idea that humanity isn't all bad, with people like you in the world (and fluffy companions).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

A call went out for community volunteers to help the LEOs search some desert areas of interest for any signs of a young woman who was abducted on her way to work a week ago. With three daughters and knowing someone close to us who went through something similar, we couldn't not join this search. The forecast was cool, rainy, and windy, so we threw the cold weather gear bags, water bottles, and high-top desert boots in the bus, then headed out to the rally point. It's a nearby small town, they expected a 100 or so people. By noon, almost 500 people had shown up from across the region to help.

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After getting everyone signed in and sorted, the horse-mounted search teams went one direction, the off-roaders another, and Mrs S and I went with one of the several classic on-foot in-a-line search teams just like you see on TV mysteries. Our instructions were to look for clothes, phones, purses/wallets, unusual/new tracks, and anything new looking. If you do see something, stay back and call over one of the trained search & rescue folks to check it out. No pictures please. Our piece of desert to search paralleled the highway for about two miles. There were 35 searchers in the line with 3 S&Rs to vet and GPS mark anything interesting. While it's very doubtful they are tied to this case, I did find a weapon and others in the group found clothes, tarps, and a few other things I'll leave out. The one skeleton we found belonged to a prong-horned antelope.

But, at the end of a long, cold, windy day, our on-foot search teams were able to tell a grieving father back at the command post about 6 square miles of desert where his daughter definitely isn't. And also, that he is not alone, that a whole caring community is behind him in his search for his missing daughter.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

A parent's worst nightmare. I hope y'all find her and give some closure -- one way or the other -- to that grief-stricken father.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Oh wow, what a terrible nightmare. It is, however, incredibly heart-warming to see a community come together like this in times of need.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Hoping for the best.
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