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drober23
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I'm a hack and I did it!
Borrowed the stuff from Randy, and it looks like the pics in Whip's post!
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Randy in Maine
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I connected the red or hot wire to fuse 12 which becomes hot when the ignition is turned on. The blue wire for dimming the display was hooked to a spare terminal on the light switch that becomes hot only when the light are on and I'm sure you will want to connect the blue wire because the display on these gauges is extremly bright at night, you could also connect the blue wire to the grey/red dash light wire. The ground of course can be run to any of several grounds behind the dash. I ordered the 18 foot thermocouple wire from DD and it was plenty long enough.
I've included a few pics of my gauge installation.
I made a drill template to locate the holes evenly.
Then using another template, I cut the dash material.
Then using a 2 1/16 holes saw the metal was removed
And the finished installation
Phil |
This is sort of an old post, but as some of you are aware, Phil sent his gauge template to me knowing that I would loan it out to people installing the three 2 1/16" gauges under the radio location. It really does work pretty slick. If you wish to borrow it, send me a PM and we can make it happen. I only ask that you pay for the postage (about $6) and return it in a timely manner. |
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| I like the look of the VDO gauges any day over those! |
I concur.
The VDO Black Cockpit gauges, are probably one of the most attractive style, whilst being clear and easy to read. Many other gauge styles are brash and gaudy.
When I have fathomed out how to do it, I intend to replace my factory-stock instrument panel, with a custom-made instrument panel, incorporating two Lucas 60 mm diameter, 8-segment warng-light clusters, plus VDO Black Cockpit style speedometer, tachometer, vacuum gauge, fuel indicator, etc., in addition to my existing VDO Black Cockpit supplementary gauges.
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Randy in Maine
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It is a little junction block that takes the short sender wires and ties them into the 18' cable taking it up to the dash. You cannot use "regular 14 gauge" wire for it they say if you want it to be accurate. I don't know if it is a thermocouple or not.
It is different than the VDO cable also. |
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CatfishCalhoun
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Randy,
Is the "sending block" something that's specific to the DD gauges because they're digital? When I look for CHT senders, online, they seem to be only showing a photo of the bi-metal ring with two leads tailing off.
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Randy in Maine
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Is there something special about the wiring coming from the bi-metal sender ring which then hooks to the head temp gauge?
The reason I ask is that I've already run my tach wires and a spare set of wires through a rigid conduit, water line, from the engine compartment to the cockpit and I won't be able to get another pair through it but if I can get a shorter sender lead and connect it to the existing spare pair to then hook to the gauge it would be quicker and cheaper. |
No good. If I recall correctly the sending unit out of #3 cylinder meets up with the "sending block" mounted on my firewall just under my double relay. From there the the 18' long sending unit wires (unique to the DD set up) have to be run to the gauge mounted at the dash. I ran all of my 14 guage sending unit wires (OT, OP and Tach marked on both ends) + the 2 DD CHT gauge wires into a 3/8" wiring loom and secured that to the bottom of the bus using wire ties about every 6" or so.
The secret to getting your money's worth out of the gauge through a long life is to install it on the cylinder head as described here http://www.germansupply.com/xcart/customer/home.php?gspage=customer/main/tech/cht/cht_install.tpl |
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frank79
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Phil...I know you weren't fishing for compliments but...you're getting another one. Awesome looking job.
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CatfishCalhoun
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Is there something special about the wiring coming from the bi-metal sender ring which then hooks to the head temp gauge?
The reason I ask is that I've already run my tach wires and a spare set of wires through a rigid conduit, water line, from the engine compartment to the cockpit and I won't be able to get another pair through it but if I can get a shorter sender lead and connect it to the existing spare pair to then hook to the gauge it would be quicker and cheaper.
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IFBwax
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Can anyone let me know what you would preset these gauges for
low and high
Oil Temp (no low obviously) High?
Oil Pressure (low) (high)
CHT again no low (high 400?)
By highs I'm not talking the certain death number.. I'm talking the number were you should start getting worried and maybe ease off the throttle or pull in for a nice cola icee.
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60's Burnout
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What's the 181 measuring? Oil temp after the cooler? And 254 is just leaving the oil pump?
When you get older, the reds go out of focus first, at least for me. The taillights at night are all just smeared out of focus. Blue is better. |
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WestyPop
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I just can't get over how ugly their gauges are. I really want a CHT from them because of the accuracy and response time, but MAN they need to change the look.
Not the bezels or the externals. The ugly digital numbers. They look like an old alarm clock and don't match the bezels at all.
If they sold a stealth kit that only had the numbers visible and could be added to the existing instrumentation I'd be all over it. Something that's just big enough for the numbers without all the excess space around it. Or make a digital analog-look gauge with a moving "needle".
Seriously. Instead of cutting 3 big arsed holes in my dash, I'd love to have just three small openings in my clock hole in the dash.
It's digital. They could make the display remote from the rest of the gauge. |
I have to agree on the ugliness factor commentary. Like square pegs in round holes, spatially & aesthetically inappropriate, unless they only expect to sell to folks who are replacing analog gauges housed in previously-carved 2 1/16" holes.
Not ready to displace my 3 1/8" VDO tach from the 'clock hole', however. I'd be OK with just the CHT being a small rectangular readout; many places around the cluster that could be cut out/adapted for that. For quick readings, I much prefer analogs, if the accuracy/reaction time of a CHT or EGT is the same. Otherwise, there's gotta be a more logical digital CHT display available for that function.
OTOH, as round gauge mounting technique goes, whip618's are really well done.
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Phil
That is really a tight set up. Nice job!
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Bleyseng
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I like the look of the VDO gauges any day over those!
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Colin, Dakota Digital does offer a red display on full gauge systems, special order only......... My eyes hurt just thinking about that 
Phil |
Really? I'm not talking about the Pontiac wannabeeBMW idiotlook, but rather the genuine muted orange/red. I've been driving a BMW for 26 years and find that the quick scan from road-to-gauges-to-road works much easier in red. Blue is a tough color for the retina because its wavelength scatters so readily that the eyes cannot focus as easily.
I noticed this particularly with blueblocker sunglasses, much easier on the eyes.
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I just can't get over how ugly their gauges are. I really want a CHT from them because of the accuracy and response time, but MAN they need to change the look.
Not the bezels or the externals. The ugly digital numbers. They look like an old alarm clock and don't match the bezels at all.
If they sold a stealth kit that only had the numbers visible and could be added to the existing instrumentation I'd be all over it. Something that's just big enough for the numbers without all the excess space around it. Or make a digital analog-look gauge with a moving "needle".
Seriously. Instead of cutting 3 big arsed holes in my dash, I'd love to have just three small openings in my clock hole in the dash.
It's digital. They could make the display remote from the rest of the gauge.
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whip618
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Colin, Dakota Digital does offer a red display on full gauge systems, special order only......... My eyes hurt just thinking about that
Phil
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Sylvester
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Nice looking Whip! That is sharp!
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Randy in Maine
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Next time I am going to take it over to Whip's house and have him install them. 
That is how it is supposed to look! |
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whip618
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I connected the red or hot wire to fuse 12 which becomes hot when the ignition is turned on. The blue wire for dimming the display was hooked to a spare terminal on the light switch that becomes hot only when the light are on and I'm sure you will want to connect the blue wire because the display on these gauges is extremly bright at night, you could also connect the blue wire to the grey/red dash light wire. The ground of course can be run to any of several grounds behind the dash. I ordered the 18 foot thermocouple wire from DD and it was plenty long enough.
I've included a few pics of my gauge installation.
I made a drill template to locate the holes evenly.
Then using another template, I cut the dash material.
Then using a 2 1/16 holes saw the metal was removed
And the finished installation
Phil
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