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edgood1
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Ok, did search but...
Can someone post a photo where locker panel is mounted on dash? I would like to see how it looks. thanks |
Just snapped that with my phone, not the best quality.
FWIW, the black plastic knob part of the switch is the same as the knobs used on late 60's -70's bugs and buses for the headlight switch, among other things....
in fact, if you can keep a secret, the left position knob on mine in the above pic is the entire headlight switch of a '70's bus. its wired to a little circuit that flashes the light for a few seconds and then turns it on solid...poor mans front locker 
I only did that because the previous owner cut an unsightly hole there to install an aftermarket gauge that just flopped out of the little hole.
In real life they look exactly the same, but the picture they look different because of the angle.
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targis58
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So.. what s missing from van-cafe's switch is just the plastic handle?
Can hose be purchased from a hardware store? one of those clear air hose? What are those three legs for? |
Is there anything to go wrong with the switch unit itself due to the age?
If yes, is it easily repairable?
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| The Audi Quattro cars from '86 to '91 all had locking centre and rear diffs which used what looks to me to be the same vacuum actuator (albeit a different mounting frame) and they used a rotary-dial vacuum switch/valve with a nice console which also had an indicator light to tell you if the lock is engaged or not. The console is on the dash in these cars |
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Actually I think we'd be saying it's Quattro's from '82.
Pre-'85 Audis (also all years UrQuattro) had a pull knob kinda like a the vanagon syncro's but it was two step, first step was to lock the center diff and the second step to lock the rear diff. The Quantam Syncro's also used a knob similar to the early Audis, with the two step lock.
Orbitald - that first picture looks like the interior of a Sport Quattro.
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| On these cars, there was a push-button toggle-on toggle-off electric switch that controlled an electric vacuum valve that you can put very close to your diff lock actuator (shorter vacuum lines!). |
Yeah that's exactly what I'm all about. IF I use vacuum as a power source I'd still like to control it remotely by electrics and keep all the vac stuff short. I'm envisioning a switch setup that mounts right on the gearshift stalk, so I can work the difflock with my hand on the shifter. Then maybe double up this switch if and when I add a decoupler.
Indicator lights are a whole seprate system independent of how you do the actual locking, you can wire lights to the position switches on the diff, decoupler, or front diff, they're all there, and put your lights wherever you would like them.
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Well I can always throw something tegether, but I'm thinking this is my opportunity to build the prototype 2.4, so as far as that goes I don't have an engine. Yet.
My favorite variant on the old cobbler's children thing was a friend of mine, a psychiatrist, adding "and the shrink has the meanest kid on the block".
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Orbitald
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| The Audi Quattro cars from '86 to '91 all had locking centre and rear diffs which used what looks to me to be the same vacuum actuator (albeit a different mounting frame) and they used a rotary-dial vacuum switch/valve with a nice console which also had an indicator light to tell you if the lock is engaged or not. The console is on the dash in these cars |
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Hey Targis58:
If you are only installing one diff lock (really all you can do with a 2WD), then consider raiding the local pick-a-part. The Audi Quattro cars from '86 to '91 all had locking centre and rear diffs which used what looks to me to be the same vacuum actuator (albeit a different mounting frame) and they used a rotary-dial vacuum switch/valve with a nice console which also had an indicator light to tell you if the lock is engaged or not. The console is on the dash in these cars.
From '92 on, the centre diff was Torsen and only the rear diff was manually lockable. On these cars, there was a push-button toggle-on toggle-off electric switch that controlled an electric vacuum valve that you can put very close to your diff lock actuator (shorter vacuum lines!). In these Audis, the push button is next to the shifter and the electric vacuum valve is under the back seat. The switch has a light in it to tell you when the locker is engaged.
One other option, really a "ghetto" approach, is to use a vacuum valve from any car using vacuum controls for the A/C system and use a separate LED light for monitoring locker engagement. |
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targis58
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ah! thanks.
and the switch from kirkmeeks.com is "not in stock" 
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targis58
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Ok, did search but...
Can someone post a photo where locker panel is mounted on dash? I would like to see how it looks. thanks
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targis58
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Actually, for an indicator light you only need to run one wire to the back, and let the locker switch ground the light circuit there.
I got one of the OEM "switches" (it's a valve) from VC, but I can see other ways to throw the locker rod, I may not use it. Or I may keep it nearer the servo and work it with a solenoid instead, so the vacuum system is all right near the engine. I would always rather run wire than pipe, if you know what I mean. But then, I could just work the locker directly with a solenoid. Hmmmm. Never been a big fan of big vacuum systems.
The freshly-rebuilt-by-Daryl tranny's been riding the jack for awhile now, from place to place, I'm too busy to stuff it, no engine for it anyway (unless i transplant my daily) and the Syncro tank straps have to be repaired first.
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tencentlife
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Actually, for an indicator light you only need to run one wire to the back, and let the locker switch ground the light circuit there.
I got one of the OEM "switches" (it's a valve) from VC, but I can see other ways to throw the locker rod, I may not use it. Or I may keep it nearer the servo and work it with a solenoid instead, so the vacuum system is all right near the engine. I would always rather run wire than pipe, if you know what I mean. But then, I could just work the locker directly with a solenoid. Hmmmm. Never been a big fan of big vacuum systems.
The freshly-rebuilt-by-Daryl tranny's been riding the jack for awhile now, from place to place, I'm too busy to stuff it, no engine for it anyway (unless i transplant my daily) and the Syncro tank straps have to be repaired first.
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| Can you feel when the locker is being engaged and disengaged? |
Yes but you probably want the indicator light as well. I think its pretty simple to pull two wires from the diff lock switch up to the dash to a relay to trigger a light. Actually I don't think you need a relay as you can run 12V down one leg and the switch would complete the circuit to a 12V lamp when locked. |
yeah that's right, it's like the reverse light switch. making a light would be easy. if diff lock panels were easy to come by i'd say get one, but for a 2wd with a locker, i probably wouldn't bother. i have a rear locker and disconnect and that one empty switch position drives me nuts. having two empty ones would really bug me |
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Orbitald
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Can you feel when the locker is being engaged and disengaged? |
Yes but you probably want the indicator light as well. I think its pretty simple to pull two wires from the diff lock switch up to the dash to a relay to trigger a light. Actually I don't think you need a relay as you can run 12V down one leg and the switch would complete the circuit to a 12V lamp when locked.
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syncrodoka
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Feel the van driving locked or unlocked? Yes
When locked it doesn't want to turn and will hop and squeal the tires in turns. Making the car foolproof for someone that might drive it other than you is nice(saving you $$ on a broken part) |
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targis58
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Can you feel when the locker is being engaged and disengaged?
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syncrodoka
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The wiring is for the back lighting in the panel so you can see the switch to use it at night as well as a indicator light to tell you that you are locked up. You don't want to drive on asphalt locked up.
I suppose that you could drill a hole and mount it somewhere, but the panel would look a lot cleaner. |
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Orbitald
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If you find someone with a full set up I need the plastic front panel preferably in brown.
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targis58
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The switch is only one part of the puzzle. The panel and the wiring /air plumbing are needed too. It is best to find someone parting out a syncro and buy the whole panel.
The knob is the same as a headlight switch knob from a type 3(fastback/squareback/notchback) or Ghia.
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I am aware of the air plumbing. What is the wiring for?
Is panel necessary since I will only have one switch for rear locker? I was thinking about drilling a hole someplace and mount the switch...
If I can find the whole thing that will be great!
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