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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

OB Bus wrote:
Brian - any good news on the early (pre 63) kits/hubs? I am considering a 57 that could use them...
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I believe he is working on it. Why not just get a '64-'67 beam? You can also get '64-'67 spindles, install your king pins in them, add to your '57 beam.

I recently put a '67 beam with sway bar in a '56, and put Type E disc kit on, works well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

Can't wait to get my setup installed, my type e kit is in the mail!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

Brian - any good news on the early (pre 63) kits/hubs? I am considering a 57 that could use them...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

zigstardust65 wrote:
Thanks Brian, I didn't realize the belly pan pic on your site had already been trimmed. Looks like a clean job!👍


The clean trim job, and picture were done courtesy of Sled.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

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There is a pic on the site of a trimmed belly pan. Its one of the smaller pics in the gallery.

https://type-emotorsports.com/collections/featured...er-and-res

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Thanks Brian, I didn't realize the belly pan pic on your site had already been trimmed. Looks like a clean job!👍
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

There is a pic on the site of a trimmed belly pan. Its one of the smaller pics in the gallery.

https://type-emotorsports.com/collections/featured...er-and-res

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback, just ordered the kit from Brian!

Does anyone have any pics of their belly pan modification to accommodate the longer master cylinder?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

What I can say is - Get Brian's brakes! I put them on my '66 and now I actually feel like I can survive amongst all the oversize SUV on the road. Don't sweat it it's an ez install with the MC swap. It will make you want to and you'll drive your bus twice as often
Since everything up front is gonna be new, at least update your rear rubber lines and flush everything. I call this the one best improvement you can do to any stock bus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

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Has anyone that used this kit gone with a German MC instead? Any issues? Are the Chinese MCs just as good as German, or is everything Chinese now anyway?


I have sold 166 master cylinder kits in the last 3.5 years. I get all of them from the same wholesaler/importer, and I have seen about 3-4 different variations in that time, all depending on supply. I don't get to choose. I take what I can get.

Out of the 166 sold, I have had to replace 4 because the owners could not get them to bleed correctly. I know one of those was install error. A few of them have had leaking grommets where the reservoir presses in, but we have found a little bit of dielectric grease on the grommets makes them go together MUCH easier, and then the grommets sit correctly.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

You didn't ask me, but I'll tell you my thoughts.

For a long time I also thought "German only" on the DC master cylinder and did so many years on my '67 Campmobile. But I watched the reviews that popped up occasionally on the then new Chinese reproduction of the DC MC. I figured there would be a "teething period". After a couple of years I saw no more mention of issues with the Chinese units. Then I saw that Type E Motorsports was supplying them if desired with their kit. By then I already owned a Chinese unit as a on-board back up master cylinder in case my ATE unit acted up while out on the road.

I wanted that Type E disc brake system on my Campmobile! I bought it, and had him send another Chinese master cylinder also. I've been running the Type E Motorsports disc brakes with a new Chinese master cylinder for almost a year and I absolutely LOVE this brake set! at the same time I installed new rear wheel cylinders too as well as all flexible rubber brake hoses. I can happily report that I have had no issues with either the master cylinder or the disc brake kit. I approach green street lights now and almost dare them to go yellow so I can stop quickly without nervousness and straight as an arrow with that brake system. I'm quite happy with these brakes.

I still hope that a Type E disc brake system will eventually come out for the 15" wheel early Buses as I have two single circuit 1959 Buses that will each get them. When I approach street lights in those Buses I still instinctively reach to hold the e-brake handle as a back-up if the light goes yellow on me. I'm no longer doing that in my '67 Camper!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

zigstardust65 wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the Type E kit for my '66, but torn on what to do about the dual circuit Master cylinder. I have always heard to always go German for for your MC, and never skimp on quality for an important component like that. I know many have suggested going with the Type E MC, but I might lose some sleep by tossing my Ate MC to go with something Chinese.

Has anyone that used this kit gone with a German MC instead? Any issues? Are the Chinese MCs just as good as German, or is everything Chinese now anyway?


have you asked Brian E?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

I'm thinking about getting the Type E kit for my '66, but torn on what to do about the dual circuit Master cylinder. I have always heard to always go German for for your MC, and never skimp on quality for an important component like that. I know many have suggested going with the Type E MC, but I might lose some sleep by tossing my Ate MC to go with something Chinese.

Has anyone that used this kit gone with a German MC instead? Any issues? Are the Chinese MCs just as good as German, or is everything Chinese now anyway?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

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Thanks.... sorry about the post in the wrong area.... I am not totally familiar with this forum so I took the time this morning to go back and look and NOW I see where all the different categories are listed and yes, there is one for Kit Cars too.... and that is probably where it belongs. I am an old school guy from the 60's so I questioned a dual master cylinder because that is what I have worked on for many years with Chevrolet and it is easy to take a look to see if one reservoir is being depleted.... I guess then that the only way to know on a VW is to see the plastic reservoir "lower" in volume or brake fluid on the ground. It is comforting to know this fact because the emergency brake has not been used in decades on this car and is almost inaccessible because of all the modifications to the car. I will pull the rear wheel and take a look (listen) as someone steps hard on the brake pedal... Thanks for taking the time to answer this.....


If you've been messing with cars that long, the rear drum brakes on a beetle chassis will be easy as pie for you. You do need the tools/ability to remove the rear axle nut which is torqued to well over 200 ft/lbs. It is a 32mm socket size (can't recall the standard equivalent).

Where are you in MN? Lots of VW folks there that might be able to help. I grew up there and will be visiting this spring sometime.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:41 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

Thanks.... sorry about the post in the wrong area.... I am not totally familiar with this forum so I took the time this morning to go back and look and NOW I see where all the different categories are listed and yes, there is one for Kit Cars too.... and that is probably where it belongs. I am an old school guy from the 60's so I questioned a dual master cylinder because that is what I have worked on for many years with Chevrolet and it is easy to take a look to see if one reservoir is being depleted.... I guess then that the only way to know on a VW is to see the plastic reservoir "lower" in volume or brake fluid on the ground. It is comforting to know this fact because the emergency brake has not been used in decades on this car and is almost inaccessible because of all the modifications to the car. I will pull the rear wheel and take a look (listen) as someone steps hard on the brake pedal... Thanks for taking the time to answer this.....
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

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So I am ready to wave a white flag on this problem with the 1971 brakes and would appreciate a few quick answers....

First, the front brakes were upgraded to disc brakes by the previous owner and have been relatively problem free. The 1971 Beetle was a donor car for a kit car but the mechanical end of this has not changed much. The brakes were upgraded and a low voltage starting bypass was installed by me last year. I have a couple questions about the brakes though....

Last year, when I step on the brakes fairly hard, you would hear a sound which was much like what you would hear if a metal brake line was loose and making contact with something.... more less a click. Now, if it was a metal brake line I wanted to fasten it so it would not move when hitting the brake. The sound comes from the driver's side and in the back.... I assume I still have a brake drum system back there but need to check.... The front brakes are disc.

So yesterday I traced the lines from each wheel to the master cylinder. I finally found the path of the rear brake line inside the fiberglass body of the car... there was no movement in it anywhere nor after it exited the body of the car and ran to the plate of the wheels.... there was no loose fitting. So there was nothing to fix and when you think about it, the clicking sound must then be coming from the driver's side rear brake system.... and I will pull that as soon as the weather gets nicer again....

Does anyone have any ideas about what I should look for that would make a clicking sound on that brake assembly??? All idea appreciated...

And just one more thing.... Does a VW master cylinder have a dual chamber so if one brake line fails, you can still get the vehicle stopped or are you at the mercy of the emergency brake only?

thanks for any advice... send some warmer weather please....


So you are talking about a buggy, based on a 71 beetle chassis? Confused a little since this is the split window bus forum, but we can probably still help you.

Yes, there is likely something loose/broken, bent, maladjusted in the rear brake drum system. Take it apart and have a good look. Should be obvious.

Yes, a 71 should have a dual chamber master cylinder, unless it has been changed for some reason.

Not sure if the mods want to move this to another forum since it is late beetle stuff technically.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

So I am ready to wave a white flag on this problem with the 1971 brakes and would appreciate a few quick answers....

First, the front brakes were upgraded to disc brakes by the previous owner and have been relatively problem free. The 1971 Beetle was a donor car for a kit car but the mechanical end of this has not changed much. The brakes were upgraded and a low voltage starting bypass was installed by me last year. I have a couple questions about the brakes though....

Last year, when I step on the brakes fairly hard, you would hear a sound which was much like what you would hear if a metal brake line was loose and making contact with something.... more less a click. Now, if it was a metal brake line I wanted to fasten it so it would not move when hitting the brake. The sound comes from the driver's side and in the back.... I assume I still have a brake drum system back there but need to check.... The front brakes are disc.

So yesterday I traced the lines from each wheel to the master cylinder. I finally found the path of the rear brake line inside the fiberglass body of the car... there was no movement in it anywhere nor after it exited the body of the car and ran to the plate of the wheels.... there was no loose fitting. So there was nothing to fix and when you think about it, the clicking sound must then be coming from the driver's side rear brake system.... and I will pull that as soon as the weather gets nicer again....

Does anyone have any ideas about what I should look for that would make a clicking sound on that brake assembly??? All idea appreciated...

And just one more thing.... Does a VW master cylinder have a dual chamber so if one brake line failes, you can still get the vehicle stopped or are you at the mercy of the emergency brake only?

thanks for any advice... send soem warmer weather please....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

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But, if an advertiser wants to advertise a comparison of their product to their competitors, the way I've seen it done that sounds *nothing like* bashing the competition is a chart that lists the attributes of their product and has check marks or similar to indicate if the competition has the same or equal desirable characteristics.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Front disc brake conversion Reply with quote

First, I don't know any of the mentioned parties or the two Samba members discussing this topic of "trashing their competition".

But, if an advertiser wants to advertise a comparison of their product to their competitors, the way I've seen it done that sounds *nothing like* bashing the competition is a chart that lists the attributes of their product and has check marks or similar to indicate if the competition has the same or equal desirable characteristics.

I can see how the ad being discussed could be perceived as negative. When I see ads done in the chart motif that I described, I have taken that as pretty neutral as opposed to talking smack about their competitors.

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