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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

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quick question... I have seen it on a thread somewhere before and I didn't save it which was stupid... no amount of searching has found it...

does anyone have the trans case bolt tightening sequence diagram at all?

thanks in advance


Took a minute, somehow I had hidden the factory manual from myself..
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

quick question... I have seen it on a thread somewhere before and I didn't save it which was stupid... no amount of searching has found it...

does anyone have the trans case bolt tightening sequence diagram at all?

thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

I just had my engine case and transmission case Chromated by Chris Childs. He did a great job! You can check out the pictures of it in my thread, page 87.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...start=1720

It is also a “sticky” in the main section.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=792573

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

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Does anyone know the gold color they painted the cases?


It's a coating.

One thread, it's about engine cases but the transmissions were coated too:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142438

If not, it was cosmoline as I've 100% seen a gold tint on some original transmission cases.

I have an NOS case though and it looks more bare
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

All the split case transmissions that I have had or disassembled have been bare castings, no paint or treatment.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

Does anyone know the gold color they painted the cases?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

I just tore a split case down in my 55 build. Documented it fairly well. I will be going to a MCM to rebuild it with Scott in the near future. I will document the entire process during the rebuild, as this a much needed for the community. Keep watching my thread for updates on that trip!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

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Out of curiosity, what is the level of difficulty in doing this open, clean, repair of a split tranny? Considering a DIY. Out of 1-10, 10 being difficult, what would you say this is rated.

All things said I am a quick learner and can process information well. Rolling Eyes

I'll be doing this myself with my 1956 Single Cab. It has not driven in 60 years, needs all the rubber bits fixed anyway and I'd really like to install seamless axle boots, so good time to split it and have a look inside, anyway.
I've never actually put a split trans back together. I've overhauled about 30 other kinds of transmissions and don't get intimidated by this one. Best is to get it very clean and be quite orderly. I doubt you will actually need to change much shimming unless you change the main case or ring and pinion. Bearings are incredibly uniform in size. so if all you are doing is replacing some bearings and possibly the brass synchro rings and some small parts, it should go together like it came apart.
Of course, it is good to have a book, but a modern video, like Rick Long's would be good. Not sure Rick did one for a split trans, but I think so. The Bentley or German factory manual will show you the correct German way of doing things which is mostly worthless to a guy just putting in a few parts.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

Out of curiosity, what is the level of difficulty in doing this open, clean, repair of a split tranny? Considering a DIY. Out of 1-10, 10 being difficult, what would you say this is rated.

All things said I am a quick learner and can process information well. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

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StockNazi wrote:

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I hope this is acceptable; what do you guys think?

I know I'm 2 years too late, but those contact patterns are no good. The coast pattern is too close to the ID of the ring gear, it needs to be centered on the tooth.
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My backlash is now .25-.27mm; The ring gear is marked .025mm, so I am very close.

The 0.025 is a number associated with the pinion depth when using the factory tools that nobody uses today. It's not related to the backlash.

Yes, that's what I was thinking, 3 years later. the engraved number is pinion depth from a standard. Backlash is backlash fairly standard for any gears, and not too critical as long as you have SOME and your pattern looks good.
If anybody could link me to a good thread on split boxes, it would be great.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

It’s mentoined in the type2 shop manual on this site, page 90/92.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/type2_1200_1600_shop_manual.php
Split gearboxes are the same for type 1 and 2, except for the flipped ring gear (because of the reduction gear boxes on a type 2)

I’m not sure whether you would be able to secure both axles in an assembled gearbox to reach such torque specs btw.
For remounting the nosecose, you should measure the bearing preload and adjust this with gasket thickness or quantity (page 86)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

I'm reinstalling a rebuilt nose cone on a 1960 Split Case Trans. Upon inspection both the main shaft and the pinion shaft nuts were loose. I want to make sure they are properly torqued before I reassemble.

Can anyone speak with authority to the torque specifications for these two nuts?
I know they get held in place with the locking tabs. How could they have gotten loose?

Can I simply torque them to spec. and they put the nose cone on? Or are there other considerations/measurements that need to be made?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

Why don't they or anybody make performance gearings for these split case transmissions??? that would be great to have these transmissions more suited up with our 36hp performance engines ..
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

StockNazi wrote:

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I hope this is acceptable; what do you guys think?

I know I'm 2 years too late, but those contact patterns are no good. The coast pattern is too close to the ID of the ring gear, it needs to be centered on the tooth.
StockNazi wrote:

My backlash is now .25-.27mm; The ring gear is marked .025mm, so I am very close.

The 0.025 is a number associated with the pinion depth when using the factory tools that nobody uses today. It's not related to the backlash.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

Great! Good to know. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

Transmission went back on the car and seems to work just fine other than a leaky nose cone so it will come out and get that fixed some day.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

This topic inspired me to consider jumping into my split case.... it then I got to page three and there is no outcome. Would be nice to know what happened with this before I take the leap.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

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You can paint the ring gear teeth with Dykem Blue and then reassemble the transmission. Rotate the transmission in forward and reverse for a minute or two each and make sure the axles are turning then carefully diassemble and remove the diff. The Dykem blue will be worn off the areas of contact which should be evenly centered if it is set correctly. If it is too far toward the center or outer edge of the teeth then the backlash is off and needs to be adjusted to bring it back to center.
I ordered some yellow gear marking grease this morning, should be here in a few days.

After looking at the backlash number engraved on the ring gear I think it does say 025mm
The way the shims are now:
3.8mm + .25mm shim on ring gear side/ 3.7mm on the other side.

I found a 3.9mm and a 3.6mm shim to swap for each side; that should bring the ring gear .1mm closer to the pinion gear and the backlash very close to .25mm
Ok I have swapped the shims like shown above.
My backlash is now .25-.27mm; The ring gear is marked .025mm, so I am very close.

The grease pattern I have is:
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I hope this is acceptable; what do you guys think?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:33 am    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

Why not post a picture of the engraved number? sometimes having several sets of eyes is better than one.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Split case transmission rebuild DIY Reply with quote

splitjunkie wrote:
You can paint the ring gear teeth with Dykem Blue and then reassemble the transmission. Rotate the transmission in forward and reverse for a minute or two each and make sure the axles are turning then carefully diassemble and remove the diff. The Dykem blue will be worn off the areas of contact which should be evenly centered if it is set correctly. If it is too far toward the center or outer edge of the teeth then the backlash is off and needs to be adjusted to bring it back to center.
I ordered some yellow gear marking grease this morning, should be here in a few days.

After looking at the backlash number engraved on the ring gear I think it does say 025mm
The way the shims are now:
3.8mm + .25mm shim on ring gear side/ 3.7mm on the other side.

I found a 3.9mm and a 3.6mm shim to swap for each side; that should bring the ring gear .1mm closer to the pinion gear and the backlash very close to .25mm
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