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tjmartin317
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 Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| Hello, where is the oil cooler and seals located and how are they accessed on a type 3? 1971 fuel injected, specifically. |
The manuals will tell you about pulling runners, wires, hoses, tin, and such.
But depending on what's up with your engine, it may be better to drop the engine and do other cleanup/refreshing while it's out. Trying to do it in the car is a PITA so it's a worthy tradeoff. |
Reviving this old thread but this is the question: noticed my cooler seals are leaking like a mother-effer… I started unscrewing as many as those flathead screws as I could without removing anything. Got five on the FI side including one facing up. It is a royal pain getting to them and I’m not exactly sure I’m getting all of them. But I also know that the generator has to come out, which I’m not looking forward to. But I’m torn whether or not I want to remove the engine again to do this… other things could be refreshed, it’ll just be more engine shenanigans…
Idk what advice I’m looking for, I think I was just musing… should have posted this on the complaining about Type 3s forum |
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ataraxia
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:42 am Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| Simon DeCasas wrote: |
| What is he part number for the 10mm seals I get conflicting answers and are planning to run 10mm case and 10mm cooler, but I also have 10mm coolers and a 8mm case so I'm at a loss. |
In your shoes - I'd focus on the sizes and not the part number. I bought all three sizes at one point because I had a similar situation and it was cheaper than paying shipping twice. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| Simon DeCasas wrote: |
| What is he part number for the 10mm seals I get conflicting answers and are planning to run 10mm case and 10mm cooler, but I also have 10mm coolers and a 8mm case so I'm at a loss. |
I just get a complete rebuild gasket kit, as there are other things I might be sealing up. As KTPhil pointed out above, it might actually be easier to pull the engine to replace the seals.
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Simon DeCasas
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| What is he part number for the 10mm seals I get conflicting answers and are planning to run 10mm case and 10mm cooler, but I also have 10mm coolers and a 8mm case so I'm at a loss. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| yoyoma wrote: |
| Hello, where is the oil cooler and seals located and how are they accessed on a type 3? 1971 fuel injected, specifically. |
Under the left side intake runners (those 2 big silver tubes), under the cooling tin hump. You have to pull the generator, the intake manifold (tubes and plenum), and the cooling tin before you can get to the oil cooler. Then it's just 3 M6 nuts to remove it.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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VW TYPE 3 1500 & 1600 Haynes manual is also good & most of us have a Bentley and a Haynes.
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| yoyoma wrote: |
| Hello, where is the oil cooler and seals located and how are they accessed on a type 3? 1971 fuel injected, specifically. |
The manuals will tell you about pulling runners, wires, hoses, tin, and such.
But depending on what's up with your engine, it may be better to drop the engine and do other cleanup/refreshing while it's out. Trying to do it in the car is a PITA so it's a worthy tradeoff. |
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mcmscott
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
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| Hello, where is the oil cooler and seals located and how are they accessed on a type 3? 1971 fuel injected, specifically. |
Buy a brown VOLKSWAGEN SERVICE MANUAL Type 3 1968-1973 Bentley manual from Amazon.com etc and get to educating yourself as we all had to do. It's our Bible and you will need it from the very beginning!  |
No, the oil cooler is located under the spare tire well, you access it by looking under the car, see it? No? keep looking, its there,,,,,,,,,
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| yoyoma wrote: |
| Hello, where is the oil cooler and seals located and how are they accessed on a type 3? 1971 fuel injected, specifically. |
Buy a brown VOLKSWAGEN SERVICE MANUAL Type 3 1968-1973 Bentley manual from Amazon.com etc and get to educating yourself as we all had to do. It's our Bible and you will need it from the very beginning!
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yoyoma
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: oil cooler seals...once again |
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| Hello, where is the oil cooler and seals located and how are they accessed on a type 3? 1971 fuel injected, specifically. |
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sharkskinman
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whats the number on the case
cuz that cooler is a late cooler
(same number as my 71 cooler thats OG)
the seals that you should use are the ones that only have a small amount of back n forth in the holes in the case
mine were orange
Left is the 8mm right is the 10mm
i used the right ones and i have NO Leakage
the ones on the left will fit VERY LOOSE
the one on the right will have less than 1/8 inch play in the whole
these are the 8mm to 10mm seals
They have a angle to them
FAQ on VW Oil Cooler Seals
http://www.oceanstreetvideo.com/vwtech/OilCoolerSealFaq.html
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KTPhil
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Certain combinatoins of coolers and seals required washers, some didn't. Maybe you are masjing them down because a washer is missing?
Someone posted a comprehensive list fo the variuos configurations, can't find it now. |
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sharkskinman
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Just upload them into thesamba gallery
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ataraxia
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| how did you post those pics? do you host them somewhere and then insert an img html tag? |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6
I created a Google images album in Picasa and use the link to the picture using the BB code. Use "preview" to see if it worked before posting it. |
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69sback
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no leakage from the oil cooler seals. I need to track down some other leaks next. 
They key to doing the oil cooler seals correctly is not overtightening... |
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69sback
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| no oil leak so far! and i'm using 10w40 now too....soon to switch to 20w50 since the weather is warming up... |
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69sback
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how did you post those pics? do you host them somewhere and then insert an img html tag?
so i got it all together...i hate doing the job...3rd time now. put it all together but now i've got a nasty vacuum leak. I can close both carbs and it still idles. hehe I used all new seals, looks like the driver's side carb leaks air from the throttle lever....there's some serious play in it and the idle races (or chokes) when i spray carb cleaner near there. but anyway, it runs fine with the leak. hehe. i know i'm getting bad gas mileage, but whatever, i'll get to it another day.
I drove the girlfriend and I to grab a cheeseburger and a beer...about 10 minute drive each way...no leaks yet! I'll report back in a couple days.
I ended up using just a little RTV silicone on the oil cooler side. Just a little.
I torqued the bolts down probably more than 5 ft/lbs. I would guess maybe 7-10 ft/lbs? It's hard to tell.... |
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sharkskinman
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i have to do mine again also
the last time i did i didnt have correct seals and had to RTV them 
but hopefully this week i will take the F.I. off and change them
as well as install a T1 alternator...maybe
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69sback
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hmmm....the high tack spray sounds interesting. i might have that a try.
ok...so 5 ft/lbs is pretty small amount. i don't have a torque wrench that goes down that far. when it torque it down to what i feel like would be 5 ft/lbs the cooler still feels a little loose. is that about right? |
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W1K1
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I use the permatex hi-tack spray a gasket on the oil cooler side of the seal. Mine leaked twice before i did it this way. I spray the seal, let it get tacky, then install the cooler. If you install the seal too soon it will be slippery and won't seat, it will want to squish out.
It's not the textbook way, but it worked for me
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