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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2025 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Actually I have the fresh air box out at the moment, I removed it when I was working on the wipers. I need to refurbish the motor for it, one of the bearings is missing. When I put it back in for sure I'll be replacing the seal. The seal was pretty bad actually.

The the windshield seal, I used the WCM one. So far it hasn't leaked, but it is curling in on the 2 bottom corners. I'm not sure if I'm going to bother to fix it as the gaps will allow any water that gets in there to exit. They aren't too noticeable.


ISP sells the air box seal. I prefer the WCM Cal look seals, as they seal to fit the best and are the easiest to install. If your lower corners are trying to roll under, I've found that a tube of 3M windshield seal/glue will keep it from rolling under. I've used several times on my both of my Notch's (my 65 and 71) just to keep the corners from rolling over/under. What's nice about it, is that you can find other uses for it too. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Actually I have the fresh air box out at the moment, I removed it when I was working on the wipers. I need to refurbish the motor for it, one of the bearings is missing. When I put it back in for sure I'll be replacing the seal. The seal was pretty bad actually.

The the windshield seal, I used the WCM one. So far it hasn't leaked, but it is curling in on the 2 bottom corners. I'm not sure if I'm going to bother to fix it as the gaps will allow any water that gets in there to exit. They aren't too noticeable.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Got the rust cleaned up and metal was coated with rust killer for good measure.

Then epoxy primed.


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Then with the help from my wife put the seal on the glass.

This was by far the hardest part of the install.


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The glass roped in. I don’t know why everyone says it’s hard. This was the easiest part of the job.


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It’s slightly off center, by about 1/16 of an inch, but I think it’s good enough for me. I don’t want to risk breaking the glass, taking it out again.


Looks good. The Cal look seal is the easiest seal to install. The "American" seal with the chrome trim is the hard one. On your car it would have used a different seal due to having plastic trim in it. Nobody makes that style of seal anymore, so going with either the Cal Look or the American style are your only choices. You did a nice job on it. Sealing it up with epoxy should help the repair last. And adding some seam sealer to cover the holes should keep your feet dry. Wink Keep in mind that you might have to drop the fresh air box from behind the dash and replace the seal between it and the body, as over the years that seal dries out and will leak water into the car. By taping off the vent slots like you did, that should slow it down some.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2025 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

I forgot to mention that I sealed the drain holes with some seam sealer and let it set for a day before installing the glass.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2025 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Got the rust cleaned up and metal was coated with rust killer for good measure.

Then epoxy primed.


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Then with the help from my wife put the seal on the glass.

This was by far the hardest part of the install.


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The glass roped in. I don’t know why everyone says it’s hard. This was the easiest part of the job.


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It’s slightly off center, by about 1/16 of an inch, but I think it’s good enough for me. I don’t want to risk breaking the glass, taking it out again.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Looks like I dodged a bullet.

Only a bit of surface rust to contend with.


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The first hole will need to be plugged and painted (it's not supposed to have a hole there). The 2nd hole will need a piece of tape to cover it, or it will leak water into the car (after it gets under the seal).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Does anyone know what the clips are for?


The clips were installed to keep the windshield in place in an accident. They were started with the 1970 models to pass the "crash standards" like the "U" shaped bumper bar (behind the front bumper).
You leave the clips out when you install your new seal, as most everyone does. I think it's because the new seals aren't made to work with the clips. They were only used in 70-73.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Looks like I dodged a bullet.

Only a bit of surface rust to contend with.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2025 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

No Guts No Glory!

First I fixed any chips in the glass. I read somewhere that it's probably a good idea to do this as it reinforces the weak spots.
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Then I removed the trim. I was able to take it out in one piece. I am going to use a cal look seal but I'll hang on to it in case I do this again.

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I cut around the glass (no photo of that) and made sure that the glass was freed from the remainder of the seal. Then it was easy to lift the glass out.

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At fist glance it looks relatively free of rust holes. I still need to clean the crud off though.

Does anyone know what the clips are for?

The one on the bottom doesn't look to be holding anything in place. I'm thinking it's not needed and might get in the way of the new seal working properly.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2025 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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I'm hesitant to do it though as I'm afraid of what I'm going to find underneath it.

Sounds kinda like going to the dentist Wink

Max


It almost is. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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I'm hesitant to do it though as I'm afraid of what I'm going to find underneath it.

Sounds kinda like going to the dentist Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Type3Todd wrote:
Hi Bob,

That's some good info. I do have a replacement seal for the windshield. I'm hesitant to do it though as I'm afraid of what I'm going to find underneath it. Lots or rust holes.

I'm waiting until I get a week of dry weather before I try to replace it. I might pay a mobile glass place to do the actual install. I'm considering getting new glass as the one on the car is in rough shape, and fogging at the corners.


Yeah, if it's fogging in the corners, the seal is probably holding water trying to work it's way between the layers of the glass. More than likely, you'll find the drain holes enlarged from rust. It's possible that there might be more smaller rust holes trying to form there too, as those corners like to trap water and dirt, forming a growing place for rust to start.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Hi Bob,

That's some good info. I do have a replacement seal for the windshield. I'm hesitant to do it though as I'm afraid of what I'm going to find underneath it. Lots or rust holes.

I'm waiting until I get a week of dry weather before I try to replace it. I might pay a mobile glass place to do the actual install. I'm considering getting new glass as the one on the car is in rough shape, and fogging at the corners.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2025 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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So it's been raining the last couple of days, and I've used this opportunity to find where the water leaks are.

There is water dripping in from a couple of areas that I'm not sure where it would be originating from.

This is the right side just forward of the door just under the dash:

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I could see water dripping from here. If any one can tell me what the source of this leak be I'd appreciate it.

On the drivers side I have a rust hole and I'm thinking its from a similar leak.

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There is also water in the heater channel. I'm pretty sure it's not coming from the back of the car or dripping down from the doors.


It's probably coming in from the windshield seal. Either between the outer seal and the glass, or the seal and the body into the corner. There should be a piece of tape covering a paint drain hole in the corners of the windshield opening. The right side almost drips on the glove box, while the left one drains on the fuse box, if the tape is missing. Most times these two spots will eventually drain into the heater outlets, then onto the floor.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

So it's been raining the last couple of days, and I've used this opportunity to find where the water leaks are.

There is water dripping in from a couple of areas that I'm not sure where it would be originating from.

This is the right side just forward of the door just under the dash:

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I could see water dripping from here. If any one can tell me what the source of this leak be I'd appreciate it.

On the drivers side I have a rust hole and I'm thinking its from a similar leak.

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There is also water in the heater channel. I'm pretty sure it's not coming from the back of the car or dripping down from the doors.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Some more progress to report. I've been working on getting the car more weather proof.

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That is the typical condition of the rubber seals on this car.

So far I've installed one door and the rear hatch seal. The rear seal was pretty easy to do. The door was a bit tricky. and I probably didn't do the best job.

When I first bought the car I bought a bunch of seals without dong any research and for the doors I got the Brazil seals. It was a choice of the Brazil or German, the German were like $300 a door vs $40 for the Brazil. They had this grey mould release stuff on them that was difficult to wash off. To get it to fit, I cut a slit in the seal in areas where there is a flange on the door that the seal fits in to. This worked well and we will see how long they last. So far it's been better with the new seal than it was before.

I have also removed the fresh air box and cleaned out the vent and drain tubes. I'm going to refurbish the motor

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as you can see it needs a new bearing.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2025 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Now back to revisit the clutch issues I was having. I got a new correct length bowden tube, the new one is about an inch shorter.

This was much easier to install. However when I went for a test drive it was shuddering like crazy. It took a feather touch to get it moving without the crazy shudder. I reviewed Bently and I didn't have enough sag according to the spec. I added some washers and now the clutch works smooth as silk.

Now that I've got the car running reasonably well, I'm going to focus on getting it more water resistant, as the rainy season is fast approaching. Up here we only have 2 seasons, rain and construction. Very Happy


Yeah the washers probably helped the most and are the recommended fix for adding more bend to that tube, but the cable might have been stretched too. Good tip on the wiper shaft/bushing assembly. Don't know how often I'd need it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2025 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Nice tip for the wiper bearing.

I'm sure it's a great feeling to have that clutch issue cleared up as well. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2025 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Now back to revisit the clutch issues I was having. I got a new correct length bowden tube, the new one is about an inch shorter.


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This was much easier to install. However when I went for a test drive it was shuddering like crazy. It took a feather touch to get it moving without the crazy shudder. I reviewed Bently and I didn't have enough sag according to the spec. I added some washers and now the clutch works smooth as silk.

Now that I've got the car running reasonably well, I'm going to focus on getting it more water resistant, as the rainy season is fast approaching. Up here we only have 2 seasons, rain and construction. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2025 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions Bob, it's lways appreciated.

I took a bit of gamble and ordered the bus wiper arm bearing assembly.

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You can see that the bearing is very similar and it will fit like the original. The the shaft is a bit longer so I reused the original one. It still seems strong enough. If needs be I'll cut the bus one down to match the t3 one.

I've installed the new bearing and it fits and works fine. I also cleaned and greased the other bearing and the ball joints while I was there.

Just though I'd post this in-case any one else is having the same problem.


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