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Ofir Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: 0.004 or 0.006 valve adjustment every 3000 miles ? |
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Hi,
I adjust the valves every 3000 miles , it's O.K. and safe to adjust them 0.004 instead 0.006 ? or should I stay with 0.006 ?
I'll notice any improvement when adjusting 0.004 comparing to 0.006 ?
I read that VW switch from 0.004 to 0.006 due too faulty exhaust valves resulting from lack of maintainance.
It's stock 1600cc engine
Thanks
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: |
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For the stock aluminum push rods, use the 0.006". |
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Ofir Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Hey Randy - thanks.
I'll notice any improvement when adjusting 0.004 comparing to 0.006 ?
there is any added value for doing this ? |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Some people set the intake to .004" and the exhaust to .006" since the intakes don't get as hot.
If your valves are too tight then they won't fully seat. They need to fully seat so they can transefer the heat to the head and away from the valve. _________________ Glenn
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veedubcrazy Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Ofir wrote: |
Hey Randy - thanks.
I'll notice any improvement when adjusting 0.004 comparing to 0.006 ?
there is any added value for doing this ? |
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Vayabroder Samba Member

Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: Hollywood, FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: Valves |
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Ofir; Glenn is right on. I say with these cars, with valve adjustment it's "better loose than sorry" because it's safer as it helps cool the engine a little better. |
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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Thanks.
What you guys doing set the intake to .004" and the exhaust to .006" ?
Or all valves .006" ?
Last edited by Ofir on Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:45 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: |
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I had chromoly, so I set them to a "loose zero". _________________ Glenn
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Dave Samba Elder
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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What Glenn means by "loose zero" is that he adjusts the valves so there is no movement between the rocker arm and the valve tip ( you can't see or feel any movement there) but the pushrod still turns freely. As Glenn said, he has chromoly pushrods, which don't expand as much as the stock, aluminum pushrods. The idea between the .004 or .006 on the stockers is to give them room to expand and grow as they heat up, and have very little lash when fully warmed up.
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Dave wrote: |
A little O/T, but did you know that the VW 36 horse pushrods had WOOD in them? I kid you not ( or "knot" LOL) |
Isn't having some wood a good thing?  _________________ Glenn
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Vayabroder Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: Adjustment |
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Ofir wrote: |
Thanks.
What you guys doing set the intake to .004" and the exhaust to .006" ?
Or all valves .006" ? |
You can do either one but the later editions of the VW Service Manual suggested .006" for all valves; it's also easier that way because you're only using one type of feeler gauge for all adjustments. |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Dave wrote: |
A little O/T, but did you know that the VW 36 horse pushrods had WOOD in them? I kid you not ( or "knot" LOL) |
Isn't having some wood a good thing?  |
That is called "morning wood".
I set them all (stock aluminum push rods) to 0.006". I love that engine sound, sort of like a turbocharged sewing machine. Sweet. |
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jamestwo Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I do .004 on intake and .008 on exhaust, except on new engines, then I go .006 on itakes and .008 on exhaust.
The extra clearance is just insurance until the vlves settle in.
Ofir wrote: |
Thanks.
What you guys doing set the intake to .004" and the exhaust to .006" ?
Or all valves .006" ? |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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VW went for many years with the spec of .004". The only reason they increased it to .006" was to prevent the damage done by negligent owners that didn't follow the recommended adjustment schedule. Since the recommended valve adjustment interval is 6000 miles, if you are doing it every 3000 miles, you will be perfectly safe setting them all to .004". Then make observations the next time. If the lash does not change, that confirms it is perfectly safe to set them at .004".
Setting them to .004" instead of .006" will make the engine a bit quieter since there will be less valve clatter. |
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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
VW went for many years with the spec of .004". The only reason they increased it to .006" was to prevent the damage done by negligent owners that didn't follow the recommended adjustment schedule. Since the recommended valve adjustment interval is 6000 miles, if you are doing it every 3000 miles, you will be perfectly safe setting them all to .004". Then make observations the next time. If the lash does not change, that confirms it is perfectly safe to set them at .004".
Setting them to .004" instead of .006" will make the engine a bit quieter since there will be less valve clatter. |
Bruce thanks for your clear to the point answer. ( as usual )
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MTIguy Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: Valve adjustment |
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Ofir,
I set the valves at .006, intake and exhaust. I too asked this question many times, all of my manuals state .006 for 1500-1600. Once you set them once you will get the feel for it. I find that the feeler guage is a pain in the arse.
If you hear the mechanical tick to still seem prevelant, watch your oil type for the climate and readjust every 1500. Gaskets are cheap and the practice will help. I tried and tried untill I was satisfied. Don't get frustrated.
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Alan_U Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2004 Posts: 1762 Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Get some good quality german cork valve cover gaskets. Glue them in with some permatex "right stuff" or the Ultra grey. Now you can use those valve cover gaskets many many times without changing them.
You should take a peak at the valve lash frequently.
You may find the valve lash is consistant. Run them at .004 if you see that they dont get tight.
Problem with people is that people with feeler guages sometimes may set the lash too tight depending on how they use the feelers. Slight friction is what you need to set them at. Too tight a friction may make a .006 valve lash actually a .0055 or even tighter. _________________ 11.92sec pump gas true daily driver. Who says it cant be done.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Even though I run a T-4 In my bug,I am still using the T-1 fanhousing so I fear #3 may be getting less cooling. Not that I have ever seen a Converted T-4 overheat. BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT--- things happen real fast and setting the valves at .004 for 3k freaks me out. Fan belt gets loose or breaks,within minutes you can lose an engine. That happened to me in the dead of a winter snowstorm at -6f and it took minutes from when the gen light went on till I could get to a safe place to park and a rod came though the case.
I ran too many T-1's and seen too many #3 valves burnt. I will stick to .008 on the exhausts. Hay how many cars today do you valve noise and the aircooled fan whinnnnne! Ha!!! That's what makes us different!!!
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Vayabroder Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: Cooling |
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Get yourself a DTM shroud and forget about it!!... |
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aztoaster Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Alan_U wrote: |
Problem with people is that people with feeler guages sometimes may set the lash too tight depending on how they use the feelers. Slight friction is what you need to set them at. Too tight a friction may make a .006 valve lash actually a .0055 or even tighter. |
thanks for the tip...I'll keep this in mind whilst dialing in the valves. I've been setting them at .006 and check with the .008 feeler. If the .008 slides through, I tighten it down some more. I failed to think of the other end of spectrum. |
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