| Ownership Plans within 2026 |
| I/We are planning on maintaining our present ownership of a bay within the next year |
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84% |
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| I/We are planning on selling our bay and leaving the community within the next year |
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4% |
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| I/We are considering a new, additional, or replacement bay within the next year |
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42948 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 1:29 pm Post subject: Informal Poll |
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Was sitting here thinking about the year, and trends. Wondering how many people here are looking for a bus, planning on keeping their bus, selling their buses, etc.. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
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buckswilde Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2010 Posts: 150 Location: Lexington, KY
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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| I'm looking to buy but Samba prices are insane. |
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7768 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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I’m always looking for ACVWs, any make and model. In the past 7 years I have purchased 5 of them.
2018 I bought a ‘71 Westy, still have it
2021 I bought a ‘65 Beetle, still have it
2024 I bought a ‘63 Beetle, flipped
2024 I bought a ‘74 Beetle, flipped
2025 I bought a ‘71 Double Cab, still have it
I travel a lot of country roads for work and I see a lot of cars in fields. Cars don’t rust in the southwest like they do I the northeast. If I see one I ask about it. Right now I’m eyeing a numbers matching ‘65 GTO, thought I had it but the lady wasn’t ready to let it go yet. When she’s ready, I’m sure she’ll call.
I first inquired about the DC I bought 12 years ago and I brought it home 3 months ago. Sometimes things take time to acquire. _________________ __________
’71 Westy build
Adventure thread
’65 Deluxe Build
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jtauxe  Samba Member

Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5980 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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I will be keeping the '78 double cab until I am no longer able to drive it.
I am keeping the '75 single cab as long as it takes to make it nice and presentable, then putting it back on the market. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member

Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4730 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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My ‘71 double cab is a keeper, so is my ‘65 sunroof squareback. The one that I may sell is my ‘60 15 window when the time comes.
Martin
Allwagons _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
Everything sounds good on paper! |
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Bnanwel Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2022 Posts: 406 Location: Ft Lauderdale
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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Keeping my 72 Deluxe! _________________ ‘72 Karmann Ghia Conv.
‘73 Karmann Ghia Coupe
‘74 Karmann Ghia Coupe
‘70 Deluxe
‘72 Deluxe |
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my59 Samba Member

Joined: August 13, 2003 Posts: 4014 Location: connecting the dots
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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Every time I bring up selling the bus to raise funds for the '59...
I get shot down. She likes riding in the bus. _________________ my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
our79: sunroof bus w/camper interior and 2.0 FI
Other:'12 Jetta, '77 Benz 300D, and a 74 MG Midget. |
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2523 Location: seattle
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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| buckswilde wrote: |
| I'm looking to buy but Samba prices are insane. |
There are two 70's buses on the classifieds this A.M. Oregon. One needs work, (full camper). 7.5k. One is day camper, runs, everyday use. 6.5k.
So those do not seem out of line for 50 year old ancient rides. Quite reasonable in fact. not insane.
But you need to go find them. There is no 'VW Bus' dealership. Buy-In cost I suppose? |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 24434 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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Samba prices aren’t reality. Put in the legwork and you can buy at 1/3 of these. If you want to point and click shop, you pay 3x _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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dumptuck Samba Member

Joined: May 24, 2015 Posts: 267 Location: BC
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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I imagine the vast majority of people who read this forum don't own a bay. Considering the amount of views on every thread compared to the relatively low amount of actual activity in the forum. I know I lurked for a long long time before I was able to get my first bus _________________ Erik |
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Xevin  Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 9049
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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I plan of keeping but always up for selling. The Bay Windows that I previously owned were sold to friends and money went towards buying the current VWs. Which I bought from friends. Xatie and I worked 2 hours away from each other so we kept a camper at both homes. I planned on selling the 85 Weekender but it’s a great utility vehicle for hauling lumber and odd things. So I’m keeping currently. I also loan it to non camper friends that want to go camping with us.
The 76 has been all over the west coast. Xatie likes having a full kitchen and stove. The 74 beetle is just fun. I’m thinking of doing more runs down the drag strip this coming year.
None of my stuff is mint condition. They live outside and get used. I’ve done the math and all of the VWs combined, the cost is less (even with new engines) than Xaties New in 2016 BMW X1 was to buy off the lot. She got a promotion and wanted to splurge and buy her first new car ever. It wasn’t for me to say no. These old cars are still cheaper to maintain and work on than many new cars.
_________________ Keep on Busin'
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Damn that Xevin...  |
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I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
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My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead

Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 17964 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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| dumptuck wrote: |
| Considering the amount of views on every thread compared to the relatively low amount of actual activity in the forum. I know I lurked for a long long time before I was able to get my first bus |
the heyday is over
I doubt you'll see 5-6 restoration threads at any one time like you did from about 2005-2012 or so.
you may get a casual build or 2 here and there but nothing like it was...and that's just not here, it's every forum in here.
I'm closing in on almost 10k for a fucking 1600 build. Granted the guy had zero engine parts or tin, it was all missing
Again, the DIY crowd can source the shit, but the reality is 5.00 fan shrouds are a thing of the past.
I sold my 71 camper about a year ago. Oddly, it went back to CA (it was from there when I bought it) and don't miss it.
I've had a running inventory of about 10 cars registered and insured at any given time and to be honest, I'm over it. These things are like women and their periods synching up, except it's with tires and batteries so at any given time it seems that I'm replacing 5 batteries or 5 sets of tires at any given time.
I was never in it for the money so all you fools that think your bus is a retirement fund, you getter get use to eating cat food and soup because you're in for a rude awakening.
When I sold my camper I was hoping for 20-22k but it went for 16,100. You couldn't build one for that but I took the money and basically doubled it with another deal and it's been making money ever since.
Bottom line is if you're going to be one of those "I got 32k into this, I won't sell it for a penny less" you'll never get out of it and continue to lose. The way I always looked at it was it opened doors to meet some great people and have an experience that without the bus, would have never happened.
as an aside, the market is in the shitter unless you have some really top end desirable shit. Your tri-5 Chevys, Super Birds etc have tanked.
People are broke and aging out of this stuff. It happens all the time and like it or not, we're heading for our "Model T" twilight years where the people that liked them/grew up with them are dead/dying and the generation behind them just aren't interested.
I'll sell if the price is right, and by right I mean what it's worth in todays dollars, not some made up number from years gone by. I'll also say unless it's something truly cool, I have zero intentions of building anything 'new' _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
| Jake Raby wrote: |
| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7768 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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^Theres a lot to unpack there. Being in it strictly for the money is a losing proposition, unless you buy super low and flip. Recently I made $1850 on a flip. It wasn’t retirement money, but it was fun and involved classic cars.
I think if you use them and keep them for an extended period of time, you’ll get something out of them in the end. Let’s say you put $15k into a build, use it for 20 years and sell it for $15k, you got your money out of it. In my eyes any way.
I’m not a mechanic like Skills, but I enjoy the process and if I can spend my spare time wrenching and learning, I’m cool with that.
I drive a ACVW everyday. If I break even or lose money in the end, the experience is good enough for me.
PS, I have a build going right now! I’m probably in $2k in engine parts and $2k for the chassis. Not bad… _________________ __________
’71 Westy build
Adventure thread
’65 Deluxe Build
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dumptuck Samba Member

Joined: May 24, 2015 Posts: 267 Location: BC
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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I do think that the community is still very much active, but the old online format is just less appealing to most people now. Facebook groups seem to be flourishing, daily "post your ____" get 100+ replies, which is pretty incredible. A lot of new threads here end up just linking to another old thread and the "learn to use the search" reply, or a passive-aggresive comment and an argument between the same dozen users who are all hard set in their ways. These forums are obviously the best reference for any in-depth technical info, but most owners are really just interested in pretty pictures and a good sense of community, which other platforms are better suited to in a lot of ways. Yes its not what it used to be, but thats life, and things change, so best to embrace it and carry on
Just my 2 cents _________________ Erik |
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7768 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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| dumptuck wrote: |
| A lot of new threads here end up just linking to another old thread and the "learn to use the search" reply, or a passive-aggresive comment and an argument between the same dozen users who are all hard set in their ways. |
I agree with this and was gonna edit my last post to include something like this. This behavior, which I have been guilty of myself and have made a conscious effort to change, has hurt the Bay Window Forum. Who wants to post a build when you get nothing but negative comments and guys trolling? I do it for me and to keep records of the process, not for anyone else. Very often I go back through my build threads to reference something I did or a color paint I used. Recently I went back through my Westy build thread because I couldn’t remember how to preform the hr fix/workaround I did on the fuel sender. I found the post and know I can preform the same repair on my DC.
The early beetle and the performance forums are a lot more positive and friendly. _________________ __________
’71 Westy build
Adventure thread
’65 Deluxe Build
’71 Double Cab |
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Whaanga Samba Member

Joined: May 07, 2016 Posts: 645 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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I’ve had my ‘73 bus for 10 years now - and have no plans to sell. _________________ Late 1973 Bay w/a transplanted 914 Engine |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead

Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 17964 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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| richparker wrote: |
I think if you use them and keep them for an extended period of time, you’ll get something out of them in the end. Let’s say you put $15k into a build, use it for 20 years and sell it for $15k, you got your money out of it. In my eyes any way.
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For sure. But so many build them and let them sit and don't use them. They literally just salted the roads here and I drove the single cab to the dump. I just don't care about leaving something in perfect shape to some future twat that just won't care about it. I may as well use it up. That's why I own it.
Point being is why go thru the hassle of building something only not to use it, or be afraid to use it? You go to work everyday and slave for a "new" car that get's used up, why should an old car be any different? There are literally vintage races where guys literally take 1 of 1 cars and sometimes crash them.
Look up Goodwood 48m Ferrari 250 GTO crash. People but their VW's on that same pedestal, but they aren't even close....
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| I do think that the community is still very much active, but the old online format is just less appealing to most people now. Facebook groups seem to be flourishing, daily "post your ____" get 100+ replies, which is pretty incredible. A lot of new threads here end up just linking to another old thread and the "learn to use the search" reply, or a passive-aggresive comment and an argument between the same dozen users who are all hard set in their ways. |
Funny, a lot of people shit on The Samba on other platforms, yet post links here for info.
Sorry, but the 100+ comments on another platform full of trash information is far less productive than having some rusty prick like myself bust your balls but also give you good information. If making someone work for it, and try to get them to understand something makes me an asshole I'll wear that crown with pride. _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
| Jake Raby wrote: |
| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42948 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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interesting numbers. I'd say the market is in balance. As to value, it takes a willing seller and buyer to establish a sale. There is no question that money is tight for a lot of people, but there are also a lot of people making a lot of money on new technologies. I was watching someone with a video channel work on late cars. The amount of equipment he needs to troubleshoot what used to be a 10 minute easy fix when a lightbulb burned out is unreal. I see GM and Toyota losing engines to main bearing failures left and right, with no fix in sight. Ford is said to be hemorrhaging transmissions. Everyone loves a new car but they hate the payments, and especially hate breakdowns. The way I see it, my older cars are now less risky to take on a trip than a new GM pu, Toyota Tundra, or Ford pu. The articles and channels say that buying one is rolling the dice whether one will get stranded or not. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
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Buggeee Samba Member

Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 5016 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| richparker wrote: |
I think if you use them and keep them for an extended period of time, you’ll get something out of them in the end. Let’s say you put $15k into a build, use it for 20 years and sell it for $15k, you got your money out of it. In my eyes any way.
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For sure. But so many build them and let them sit and don't use them. They literally just salted the roads here and I drove the single cab to the dump. I just don't care about leaving something in perfect shape to some future twat that just won't care about it. I may as well use it up. That's why I own it.
Point being is why go thru the hassle of building something only not to use it, or be afraid to use it? You go to work everyday and slave for a "new" car that get's used up, why should an old car be any different? There are literally vintage races where guys literally take 1 of 1 cars and sometimes crash them.
Look up Goodwood 48m Ferrari 250 GTO crash. People but their VW's on that same pedestal, but they aren't even close....
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| I do think that the community is still very much active, but the old online format is just less appealing to most people now. Facebook groups seem to be flourishing, daily "post your ____" get 100+ replies, which is pretty incredible. A lot of new threads here end up just linking to another old thread and the "learn to use the search" reply, or a passive-aggresive comment and an argument between the same dozen users who are all hard set in their ways. |
Funny, a lot of people shit on The Samba on other platforms, yet post links here for info.
Sorry, but the 100+ comments on another platform full of trash information is far less productive than having some rusty prick like myself bust your balls but also give you good information. If making someone work for it, and try to get them to understand something makes me an asshole I'll wear that crown with pride. |
I agree with both points. I saw someone's signature to the effect that not using your classic car so the next owner will like it more is akin to not having sex with your girlfriend so her next boyfriend will like her more. Suffice it to say I drive mine every chance I get. _________________ Big Time 1988 Vanagon Westy
Release the Krankenwagen! 1966 Sportsmobile Camper
Dr. Kompressor 72 Super Duper
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member

Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4730 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Informal Poll |
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[quote="Buggeee"][quote="skills@eurocarsplus"]
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I agree with both points. I saw someone's signature to the effect that not using your classic car so the next owner will like it more is akin to not having sex with your girlfriend so her next boyfriend will like her more. Suffice it to say I drive mine every chance I get. |
True dat! Now I drive them more. _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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