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bcs
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 Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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Christian’s (alias Huetti_1989) question will be answered as follows 😊
It's Monday and back at the painter’s workshop to clean the bus completely and in every detail.
The hectic atmosphere and the delay from Friday were almost forgotten.
When I started to clean up the driver- / co-driver-area, I thought that the surrounding areas were still dusty from the sandblasting but then I realized that it is the grey-colour-tone of the primer and the original red-paint is missing!!!
(you can see the difference between the original condition, which was covered by a little stripe of tape => still colourful and bright).
I put this stripe of the masking-tape when I delivered the bus to the sandblaster. This line was agreed as the border for the protection he wanted to install.
The sandblaster did not protect these areas like in the engine-compartment (‘Trust me! I know what to do. Don't have any doubts.’).
So this was the confirmation that his story of ‘The masking-tape came off during the blasting process’ in the engine-compartment was a lie. He did not use any masking-tape during his work.
Then I realized a damaged area at the bottom of the left double-door ….
(Protecting the outer-body-shell and doors? ‘No, not necessary! What should happen? I always work very careful. Everything is no problem.’)
Unbelievable …
Contacting the sandblaster, he started to tell additional stories and lies and poor excuses.
I don’t want to bore you with all the details.
He promised a lot when I left the bus-body at his workshop but did not one of the points.
This experience was one of the biggest 'downs' in this project 
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bcs
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| this looked to be a pretty solid bus,,but im confused!! why is all this metal work and sand blasting being done???you would think to do the minimal rust repairs, and defentnaly NO SAND BLASTING...BUT ITS YOUR BUS. im sure it will be fine, |
Agreed. I have no idea why ANY sandblasting was needed in that engine bay.
The bus did need some metal work in the floors and rockers |
It looks like it is speeding down a slippery slope.
A friend of mine took his OG paint 23 to get the WINDOW LEDGES sandblasted.
When he went after to get it they had blasted the entire bus to bare metal
He turned around without saying a word. At least it wasn’t warped.
It is more difficult to do a preservation restoration than it might appear. |
What a horrible story!! 
O.k., it seems that there are much more chaotic and unreliable sandblaster out there. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| Clara wrote: |
| AS350driver wrote: |
| andre b wrote: |
| this looked to be a pretty solid bus,,but im confused!! why is all this metal work and sand blasting being done???you would think to do the minimal rust repairs, and defentnaly NO SAND BLASTING...BUT ITS YOUR BUS. im sure it will be fine, |
Agreed. I have no idea why ANY sandblasting was needed in that engine bay.
The bus did need some metal work in the floors and rockers |
It looks like it is speeding down a slippery slope.
A friend of mine took his OG paint 23 to get the WINDOW LEDGES sandblasted.
When he went after to get it they had blasted the entire bus to bare metal
He turned around without saying a word. At least it wasn’t warped.
It is more difficult to do a preservation restoration than it might appear. |
Your friend lost a ton of money it sounds like. 1. he lost the value of good OG paint 2. then he had to put out money to get the entire bus prepped and repainted
A dilemma I avoid by driving junky, but solid buses that were already repainted decades ago  get a scratch? Just easy off to the next layer of previous repaint lol |
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ryans65
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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I akin sandblasting like that to watering a house plant with a firehose.
I'm confused now like someone else said, why all the metal work? |
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Clara
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| AS350driver wrote: |
| Clara wrote: |
| AS350driver wrote: |
| andre b wrote: |
| this looked to be a pretty solid bus,,but im confused!! why is all this metal work and sand blasting being done???you would think to do the minimal rust repairs, and defentnaly NO SAND BLASTING...BUT ITS YOUR BUS. im sure it will be fine, |
Agreed. I have no idea why ANY sandblasting was needed in that engine bay.
The bus did need some metal work in the floors and rockers |
It looks like it is speeding down a slippery slope.
A friend of mine took his OG paint 23 to get the WINDOW LEDGES sandblasted.
When he went after to get it they had blasted the entire bus to bare metal
He turned around without saying a word. At least it wasn’t warped.
It is more difficult to do a preservation restoration than it might appear. |
Your friend lost a ton of money it sounds like. 1. he lost the value of good OG paint 2. then he had to put out money to get the entire bus prepped and repainted
A dilemma I avoid by driving junky, but solid buses that were already repainted decades ago get a scratch? Just easy off to the next layer of previous repaint lol |
My friend was pretty bummed.
He ended up selling the bus to someone else who had it repainted. He had really wanted to have a preservation with the OG paint kept.
I don’t blame him for wanting a bus with the rust fixed.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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The word “ sandblaster” makes cringe.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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I am sorry this happened to you.
I also had my sandblasted on the under carriage and the engine bay. I guess I was lucky and it worked out.
I noticed, that many craftsmen don't get the concept of patina. Especially painters believe that good work means, that the result is nice and shiny like new.
I hope you can find a skilled painter, that can fix the areas without ruining the left over patina.
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bcs
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| mdege wrote: |
I am sorry this happened to you.
I also had my sandblasted on the under carriage and the engine bay. I guess I was lucky and it worked out.
I noticed, that many craftsmen don't get the concept of patina. Especially painters believe that good work means, that the result is nice and shiny like new.
I hope you can find a skilled painter, that can fix the areas without ruining the left over patina. |
Hello Michael,
many thanks for your message.
Next time I will ask you for the contact-details of your sandblaster.
Sure that will save me a lot of nerves and spleepless nights 😊
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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So now it’s time for good news
After all the empty promises of the sandblaster, his unreliability and poor work, it was time to leave the bad thoughts behind (even if it was difficult).
The painter did a very reliable primer-paint-job which was done during one week.
He did a lot of efforts to protect the original paint ….
I was very satisfied with the result.
He found some additional non-sandblasted spots which he removed.
He controlled the thickness of the original paint at different areas and told me that the bus was obviously not re-painted in the past.
In addition, he gave me an article of a painter-magazine that deals with the neglected cavities and their poor condition.
That was the ignition to be focused later on to the cavities of my bus.
So the bus-body was transported back to the coach-builder-workshop.
The painter was so kind and borrowed me his bus including trailer. What an unique gesture!
This reliable transaction and the perfect result were one of the ‘ups’ during the project-progress.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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bcs
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| Huetti_1989 wrote: |
looks way better now.
Your way to do the things is very interesting for me,
as i now also try to repair a Patina Splitwindow,
i thinking about sandblasting or not and i started the metal work without sandblasting,
because i done sandblasting myself in the past on my 57,
and it´s nearly impossible i think to protect nice paint from damage,
also the tapes hold terrible strong on place after sandblasting.
i may blast the surface rust underneath or done some owatrol on it...
your splitwindow looks perfect clean now!
What is your plan to the little rusty areas outside? owatrol? sandblast with a small blaster?
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Hello Christian,
sorry for my delayed answer. I have to confess, that your question ‘What is the plan to the little rusty areas outside?’ is in my head since the project-start.
The last pre-owner put just rust-converter-fluid onto the rust-spots and they became all black.
For me this is just a temporary solution. I’m always (very) worried about rust and I admire all the Splitbus-owner who don’t have a problem with rust and stay completely relaxed 😊
I will try to handle – for example – the rusty spots at the front-nose: Removing the rust with a Dremel and dab the primer and final-paint with a little model brush.
But if the result of the first spot looks unsightly, a new solution has to be found.
Using Owatrol was also thought but different users told me that the fluid has to be applied 1 … 2 times per year.
Maybe this is too time-consuming in future?
After all the issues I don’t want to repeat the sandblasting-process 😊
But you are in the perfect position to do the sandblasting on your own and realize your demands (in front of an amazing view to the mountains 😊).
Sure a matching solution will be found. Please let me know your experience.
Many thanks for your interest and good luck for your project!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| I have had pretty good results using an airbrush to touch up little areas. |
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bcs
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| I have had pretty good results using an airbrush to touch up little areas. |
Many thanks for this hint. Sorry to say, I have no Airbrush-skills.
But maybe a Smart-repair-professional would be able to support.
I will think it over
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bcs
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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Now the bus was back at the coach-builder-workshop.
Fortunately the coach-builder offered me to be present during his work and support him.
I made numerous times use of this offer, to see how an expert works and to learn from his experiences (and to be sure that everything will be done as requested 😊 )
First of all, the 2 longitudinal-beams were in the focus.
Because of the padding-material which gathered in the past a lot of water in the double-floor and caused corrosion, the right main-frame had lost a minimal bit of his thickness in a few areas after the sandblasting.
Nothing serious. The painter and the coachbuilder told me: ‘This has no effect on the stability of the bus. Just leave it as it is.’
But I wanted to be on the safe side.
It was out of the question replacing the affected frame-section.
Such an intervention would be too excessive.
So the 2 longitudinal-beam-sections were reinforced with additional C-profiles…
And to make sure that there won’t be corrosion between these 2 layers of sheet-metal, a lot of primer was injected with a syringe …
Butt-welded seams on main-frames are normally not a perfect solution.
A small improvement was welded in …
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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| Wow, talk about a serious case of project creep.... |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Nice bus, even nicer sister |
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Hope you got your VIN plate back when you picked the bus up from the blaster. Sandblasting is not a very surgical process, I think you may have had some unrealistic expectations. Doing areas (engine compartment) that you didn't want shouldn't have happened, missing a few spots is pretty easy to do, visibility is pretty low
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