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pbrothers
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 Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:38 am Post subject: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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Has anybody installed an Apple CarPlay receiver in the dash of Vanagon (87). The existing opening is for a smaller, more traditional head unit. I am replacing the dash so if I was ever going to do this, now is the time — assuming I can create something that looks somewhat factory original with a clean installation.
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ThankYouJerry
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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| pbrothers wrote: |
Has anybody installed an Apple CarPlay receiver in the dash of Vanagon (87). The existing opening is for a smaller, more traditional head unit. I am replacing the dash so if I was ever going to do this, now is the time — assuming I can create something that looks somewhat factory original with a clean installation.
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Yes. Pioneer is the only brand that currently sells a double DIN receiver that fits in a single DIN opening (motorized screen pops out) with Apple CarPlay. I’ve had one for about a month and like it very much. I need to post a follow up in the double DIN thread as a review. Just haven’t had time recently.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/NEX/AVH-3300NEX
*Edit: This receiver requires zero modifications to install.
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Jon_slider
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
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I wonder if its legal to use a dock that holds the iPhone. At which point its essentially the same as AppleCarPlay
I suspect the laws designed to prevent distracted driving due to texting and talking on the phone, would apply to someone using Apple Car Play to Text or Talk on the phone while driving also.
The difference being that cops can tell when you have a phone held up to your ear, but they can't tell when you are talking on the phone with a hands free device.
Which brings me to another question..
is it illegal to talk on the phone using a bluetooth headset? I think not.
Then, talking on the phone is not the illegal behaviour they police for. Maybe only holding the phone to your head is what they enforce?..
The dock I use is Proclip, I have one in my van also. To get music thought my speakers, I use a device called Tranzit Link, which like CarPlay, provides a lighting cable that connects the phone to the vehicle stereo system.
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elizer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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| Jerry - that is the exact receiver I was looking at. I was hesitant because I was worried the flip out screen would hit the dash and not be angled properly to see the screen. |
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jimf909
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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Maybe only holding the phone to your head is what they enforce?..
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Correct. More specifically, in WA using any hand held device (not just holding to your ear) is illegal while driving. That device in your cradle is legal; holding the device in your hand is illegal. DUIE - DUI of Electronics - is a primary ticketable offense.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transpor...t-in-july/
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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My phone slides horizontally into my ashtray, so it's not an issue wrt the law. I use the touch screen or Siri to control all commands with the HU.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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| elizer wrote: |
| Jerry - that is the exact receiver I was looking at. I was hesitant because I was worried the flip out screen would hit the dash and not be angled properly to see the screen. |
The screen angle is totally adjustable.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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Having now seen the Pioneer unit in the Van, I want so bad. It's a bit pricey, but is so choice. Add a backup cam and the infotainment is almost Audi-like right? LOL. Maybe not a virtual cockpit, but Carplay will be awesome in the Van. I wonder though how the install is into Van's old harness etc. I've never done any stereo DIY.
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theadventureneverends
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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When I upgraded the factory tape deck in our 91 to a detachable face single din cd player probably (2010). I almost bought one of those units with the motorized flip out double din screen but they seemed like a potential pain and something that would probably fail. I was probably so very wrong and now I wish I would have.
At some point in the future I will replace the one I installed with the Pioneer 3330nex or something similar.
A really quick search on Amazon has it for $600 with a backup camera. I don't know what carplay is but we have Android phones and Bluetooth would probably be nice which it has built in. |
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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I assume Android Auto uses the power cord rather than Bluetooth, just like CarPlay. These units with touch screens and voice controls are real game-changers. No more scrolling through ridiculous menus on a tiny screen or enduring that endless default light show when the battery is disconnected. The Sony is easily the most satisfying HU I've ever owned
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ThankYouJerry
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| I assume Android Auto uses the power cord rather than Bluetooth, just like CarPlay. These units with touch screens and voice controls are real game-changers. No more scrolling through ridiculous menus on a tiny screen or enduring that endless default light show when the battery is disconnected. The Sony is easily the most satisfying HU I've ever owned |
Correct. The Pioneer deck must be plugged in while operating Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. However, you can also play music through the deck with Bluetooth , but it won’t be controlled via CarPlay/Android Auto interface. The plus side of being plugged in is that the phone is also charging.
@ theadventureneverends - Currently the Pioneer NEX double DIN is the only single to double DIN (7” screen that fits in a single DIN opening) on the market that is compatible with Apple CarPlay and/or Android Auto. I had a Kenwood previously that was similar but no Apple CarPlay. That would be a deal breaker for me now.
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My Sony meets all those same criteria, but the screen is fixed unlike the Pioneer. Then again, it's also several hundred $ less, too. I think the Pioneer certainly fits better in the Vanagon, so if you can afford it, that option makes the most sense.
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jvarg
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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I too, like ThankYouJerry, have had the Pioneer for a couple of months, and have been completely satisfied by it. I was hoping to hold out for the Single DIN unit that Dual/Jensen had been promising for release for the past two years, but the delays led me to the Pioneer instead. Below are a couple of photos of the installed unit in my van:
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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Silly old me...... I'm still using PAPER MAPS, an aging TomTom if the conditions warrant and my iPhone GPS if needed.
Talking? Texting? finding directions to a given location?
That is why you bring a co-pilot is it not?
Nah, I'll keep my vintage tape player that VW installed 30 some years ago. Zero theft appeal and it does the job.
I'll use the $600 dollars for something silly like gasoline.
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You know, aside from fuel lines, fuel tank seals, and brakes, one of the first non mechanical purchases I made for my westy was a factory VW Heidelberg radio to replace an aftermarket tape deck the PO installed.
That lasted me about a year before it started to stop reading my tape adapter, or any tape for that matter, and after about two years of following production of Dual/Jensen’s single DIN CarPlay unit, I stumbled upon the Pioneer. I saw one on eBay with a best offer option, and managed to get a solid discount on the brand new head unit.
I purchased the proper radio wiring harness adapter (I added an extra necessary wire to it for switched power on, ran to the fuse box), and wired it all up without hacking up any of the existing wiring, so I, or a future owner can go right back to an original, hopefully not finicky, Heidelberg if we want to.
That being said, I drive with my ANALOG MAPS too, and have nothing but praise for the convenience the new head unit gave me with navigation on the 3000+ mile trip I took my westy on, shortly after installing it. Is it necessary? No (and if we get philosophical, how many things truly are?). But I have zero buyer’s remorse for my head unit.
And as for theft appeal, I’m more worried about someone stealing my van, over stealing the head unit which is why I also have installed GPS tracking. The screen automatically retracts and looks like a fairly normal aftermarket head unit, when I remove the key.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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Thats easy to say out in Montauk, John. No one has to steal stereos when they can steal your 401k.... (one of your most infamous residents)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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thanks for the pics, looks like very nice big buttons
they only work if you have your phone with you also right? And the phone has to be plugged in to the radio, right? Or do all those buttons work without a phone?
IF you must plug your phone in, then the difference between the $600 Pioneer and the $105 Tranzit Link
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-f0m7puRj3Av/p_541IS7705/iSimple-TranzIt-LINK.html
plus the $80 Pro Clip dock system is $415 and the size of the screen.
Both systems output music and navigation through the vehicle speakers. Both systems have voice commands that can be used to play music, and select navigation targets.
My phone also has the ability to use Navigon, which is not dependent on cell phone reception for navigation, that maps and Waze require..
The only thing Tranzit Link will not do, that the Pioneer can do, is use the car speakers during phone calls. But I don't do much talking on the phone in a Vanagon, it is very difficult to hear what Im saying due to cabin noise.
otoh, Navigation and Music are my primary needs when driving. I don't prioritize talking on the phone, nor texting, though I can do both without holding the phone in my hands.
as an aside, the laws against distracted driving are intended to prevent people from talking on the phone and texting while driving. Those distractions are still there IF you use your phone, through a Pioneer, or in a dock. The fact cops don't yet ticket for the behavior, and target only whether the device is handheld, is a temporary glitch in enforcement.
The laws against distracted driving even make it illegal to groom yourself, or eat, while driving, IF the cop chooses to target you.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Apple CarPlay Receiver? |
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https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/distracted-driving
Just a reminder to use this sort of tech responsibly. I will use my iPhone for directions when traveling (with voice prompts enabled) but done with text or talk while driving, even hands free no matter what state I'm in.
Also, it's a good brain exercise to review the trip before leaving and not rely on Siri to warn of a turn in 100ft.
If not for yourself, your passengers, or other travelers, minimize distractions for your Vanagon.
I came very close to causing a pile-up on northbound I-75 when I had my driver's permit. I was driving an Econoline Van and pulling a ski boat and reached down to flip my new Appetite For Destruction Tape at the exact wrong moment. Locked up and just happened to slide onto the shoulder, past the cars, instead of into the cars in front of us. Pure luck. At 44 I still think what could have been when I hear Axl.
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