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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: simple way adjusting lifters Reply with quote

Can someone tell me a step by step of adjusting valves on a hydraulic lifter engine? Please dont tell me to search because the stuff Ive read seems like chinese to me
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever adjusted valves before?
Do you have the Muir book?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you want to adjust them? Is there some issue where you suspect they aren't set up properly? Once set up, you don't need to check them.

Adjusting - it's about the same as adjusting the valves on a mechanical lifter engine, except that you back the adjusters out til they have clearance, screw them in until they contact the valve stem, then turn them in 2 full turns and tighten the locknuts.

So:

Engine cold -

Pull the valve covers off, clean and re-gasket them as needed.

Remove the distributor cap and then turn the engine over until the rotor points at cylinder number 1 and is at TDC on the timing scale (there's a mark on edge of distributor body, and verify that it's the same as where the number one spark plug is plugged into.)

Adjust number 1 as mentioned above.

Rotate engine by hand backwards 90 degrees, repeat for cylinder two.
Rotate engine by hand backwards 90 degrees, repeat for cylinder three.
Rotate engine by hand backwards 90 degrees, repeat for cylinder four.

Replace valve covers and distributor cap.

Start engine and watch for valve cover leaks.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

glutamodo wrote:
Why do you want to adjust them? Is there some issue where you suspect they aren't set up properly? Once set up, you don't need to check them.

Adjusting - it's about the same as adjusting the valves on a mechanical lifter engine, except that you back the adjusters out til they have clearance, screw them in until they contact the valve stem, then turn them in 2 full turns and tighten the locknuts.

So:

Engine cold -

Pull the valve covers off, clean and re-gasket them as needed.

Remove the distributor cap and then turn the engine over until the rotor points at cylinder number 1 and is at TDC on the timing scale (there's a mark on edge of distributor body, and verify that it's the same as where the number one spark plug is plugged into.)

Adjust number 1 as mentioned above.

Rotate engine by hand backwards 90 degrees, repeat for cylinder two.
Rotate engine by hand backwards 90 degrees, repeat for cylinder three.
Rotate engine by hand backwards 90 degrees, repeat for cylinder four.

Replace valve covers and distributor cap.

Start engine and watch for valve cover leaks.


Close but.......


If the motor is in it... go for a drive, 15-30 minutes

When its cool enough to work on; 30mins to 6 hours then you do the valve adjust procedure except you want to set the adjustment screws between 1 and 1.5 turns in... not 2
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree yet disagree with both of you in a way Smile
Never trust the mark in the distributor as #1 TDC, get familiar with cylinder numbering and follow the plug wire from that cylinder to the distributor, then make a mark on the side of the distributor body with a Sharpie at each wires location with the corresponding number where it plugs in, there's too many differently marked distributors and dumbs**t mechanics installing drives to assume the mark is correct. Once it's marked adjust the valves on the cylinder number the rotor is currently pointing to.
Secondly Hydros don't really need to be warm for adjusting, you can still feel the end of the internal spring where it goes to zero lash even if they are dry.

As for don't need adjusting?, technically they don't but it's good to unwind them and readjust every year or two just to get a read on the health of the valve train and heads. Log how many turns it takes to reach zero lash for each cylinder and compare to previous jobs, if one requires more or less it may be eating a lifter or dropping a seat and things like that are best dealt with in the driveway opposed to roadside in the middle of nowhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
I agree yet disagree with both of you in a way Smile
Never trust the mark in the distributor as #1 TDC, get familiar with cylinder numbering and follow the plug wire from that cylinder to the distributor, .


Uhh, that's exactly what I meant when I said: and verify that it's the same as where the number one spark plug is plugged into

So busdaddy, how many turns in do you like to go? I said 2 full turns above mostly because that's what the Bentley says. Back when I worked on these, I never liked going that far myself, and usually went around 1.5 turns.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

local vw tech said that the right front one needed to be adjusted. All this from revving the engine and listening wow!!

How can I tell for sure its a hydrualic lifter engine?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: simple way adjusting lifters Reply with quote

vw-man-with-saturn wrote:
Please dont tell me to search because the stuff Ive read seems like chinese to me

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我用 1.5 輪流
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's hard to know what previous owners and mechanics have done to the engine over the years. But, back when these were knew, VW made a visual change to the rocker arms at the same time they went hydraulic, a spacer bushing between rockers instead of the spring they used previously.

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Also - what's your engine number?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.5 turns past 0 lash please. Not 2 turns.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

glutamodo wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
I agree yet disagree with both of you in a way Smile
Never trust the mark in the distributor as #1 TDC, get familiar with cylinder numbering and follow the plug wire from that cylinder to the distributor, .


Uhh, that's exactly what I meant when I said: and verify that it's the same as where the number one spark plug is plugged into

I know what you meant but some of the ummm.....grey matter deprived readers here could mistake that as the cylinder the rotor actually points to like on a compass or don't fully understand cylinder numbering, just clarifying Wink

I too say 1.5 turns.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Χρησιμοποιώ πάντα 1,5 στροφές.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are my questions

If it was converted to solid lifter would it have to have the springs on the rocker shaft or still left with the solid spacer?

So to adjust I turn it in so its touching the valve and then clockwise another 1.5 turns?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vw-man-with-saturn wrote:
Here are my questions

If it was converted to solid lifter would it have to have the springs on the rocker shaft or still left with the solid spacer?

So to adjust I turn it in so its touching the valve and then clockwise another 1.5 turns?


Could have solid spacer and be solid lifter. I run non hydros with a solid spacer

Check your push rods. Aluminum or steel. Not fool proof though as some run steel pushrods on solid lifters.

The safest way to tell is pull a lifter.
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vw-man-with-saturn wrote:
Here are my questions

If it was converted to solid lifter would it have to have the springs on the rocker shaft or still left with the solid spacer?


Yes you can have solid spacers with solid lifters, this is actually very preferable. You can feel the difference between solid and hydraulic lifters when adjusting the valves. Hard to explain it but it is very noticeable.

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So to adjust I turn it in so its touching the valve and then clockwise another 1.5 turns?


Yes, just be aware that the point of contact can be very subtle if the lifters are not fully pumped up, which is typical. Just use your finger tips and check the point of contact repeatedly if you are not sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: simple way adjusting lifters Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
vw-man-with-saturn wrote:
Please dont tell me to search because the stuff Ive read seems like chinese to me

路加福音,使用搜索

我用 1.5 輪流


Luke, use the search

I used 1.5 turns

Luke, χρησιμοποιήστε την αναζήτηση

Θα χρησιμοποιηθεί για 1,5 στροφές
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes you can just shine a light down a pushrod tube and see the retaining clip that holds the hydraulic lifter together.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I followed Ratwell....I confirmed all 6 and did 1.5 turns;

Here are some clues to look for in order to help you determine if you have hydraulic lifters:

The engine case number begins with GE (bus) or CV (Vanagon).
The fan shroud has a similarly prefixed number.
There is a sticker on the fan shroud indicating zero lash.
The case lacks a bolt with a large 13mm triple square head on the right side of the case between the push rod tubes.
The rocker arms are separated by a wavy spacer washer instead of a spring.
The push rods are one piece steel instead of a large aluminum tube with small steel tips.

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