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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:59 pm    Post subject: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Vanagon friends,

Taking showers on the road, or washing things with sprayed water, are problems Vanagon owners frequently face when traveling. There are many good solutions to this problem--staying at parks that provide showers, using truck stop showers, using roof/bumper/wherever mounted shower solutions (like Road Shower or the Helio Pressure Shower, or a simple shower bag or bucket with holes) or using the Westfalia shower tap which I tried (and didn't like). There's also the Scepter water can shower system using NATO water cans, a system I used for some time. There are many threads on The Samba that deal with how to take showers.

In my own travels, I shower at state parks or RV parks or truck stops. When on longer backcountry trips where daily showers are not available I usually start each day by boiling water for tea and another pot for utility water--usually for cleaning. I add some peppermint soap to that water and take a "whore bath" (dipping the towel in the soaped water and vigorously washing anywhere that needs washing). On even longer hiking/kayaking/mountaineering trips in the mountain west, the "whore bath" no longer does the trick and you need a better way to bathe (especially if there is no river or lake nearby).

I wanted a spray port shower system that draws water from the on-board Westfalia water tank. I wanted that system to deliver pressurized water to a short hose for use as a bathing shower or aid to cleaning dirty equipment. I also wanted to be able to deliver water easily to places outside my van, for washing gear, kids, dogs, or for setting up sugar syrup feeder buckets at my beekeeping yards, for example. Being able to project water is really useful.

I wanted a system that was simple and free of clutter or equipment. I wanted it to work independently of the existing drinking water system in the Westfalia galley. The use of this system assumes you are aware of the limited capacity of the Westfalia water tank and are frugal with your water.

With these requirements in mind, I built my Vanagon spray port.

Here's a rough schematic of how things will lay out:

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Parts list:

SHURflo 4008-101-E65 3.0 Revolution Water Pump: this is the heart of the system; a 12 VDC, 3.0 GPM, 55 PSI, and 7.5 Amps, self priming pump that can run dry, can dry prime to 6 vertical feet, and comes with a 2-year warranty. All plumbing is 1/2" inner diameter.

SHURflo water strainer and fittings for the pump inlet and outlet plus hose clamps and 1/2" inner diameter hose for the fittings.

Bulkhead fitting for the Westfalia water tank plus straight and angle nipple fittings for the bulkhead fitting to accept 1/2" inner diameter hose.

Blue Sea switch and switch cover, plus Hella relay, to control the DC power from the outside. Also, 12ga wiring and connectors.

GoWesty City Water hook-up box, if you want to add a fourth hook-up box like I did (my city water port is now a compressed air port). You'll also need some brass garden hose quick disconnects--in various configurations.

A short RV utility hose and whatever type of spray head you want for it. Remember that any water left in the hose when you're done is wasted, so keep the hose short and low volume.

The gist of installation is first finding a home for your SHURflo pump. I put it in the small cabinet just forward of the water tank, but that is a cramped space. Once that location is established it will inform the routing of your water lines and wiring. Keep in mind that the water lines before the pump are merely suction and are not pressurized; everything after the water pump to the spray port is pressurized and you need to be darn sure it holds water. I built the pressurized hoses from AN-8 hose with 1/2" NPT connectors from the SHURflo to the Cit Water port, which is overkill, but I have a lot of electrical modifications behind the galley that would not tolerate water spillage.


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Here is the hose setup. It takes only a little space in storage under the bench seat. If you carry a water tank refiller hose, you could use that as well, but that is usually a long hose and its volume would be wasted upon disconnect.



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Brass quick disconnect with male garden hose thread, to adapt the spray port hose to the port.



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City Water port converted with quick disconnect and covered Blue Sea switch.



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Just push the hose into the quick disconnect and turn on the outside power. The outside power switch is controlled by a 30A switched/fused master circuit inside the van, shared with the air compressor system. That way, you control when the outside power is available (keeps strangers from turning on your water system).



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Connected hose with spray head provides great ergonomics.


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The bulkhead fitting and 90 degree nipple installed on the top of the Westfalia water tank, feeding the water pump.


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Inside the Westfalia water tank, showing the straight nipple, which has a short tube terminating at the bottom of the water tank. You can cut the tube shorter to guarantee your tank is never completely emptied, if you are the cautious type.

Video demonstration--post-kayak shower at the boat ramp in the Florida Everglades on a hot Christmas Day 2016:

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This spray port has turned out to be a very beneficial feature for the van. I hope you all find this information useful.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Bravo, that is a great implementation, may have to copy that...


I wonder if one could build a simplified system and use existing faucet pump? simply install a manual selector/diverter valve on the water line? Any concerns of the pump burning out if it's running but the shower is not flowing at the moment?

For the ultimate setup add a DC water heater to the water tank...
http://mwands.com/store/dc-water-heating-elements/adjustable-water-heating-element

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

I know from my experience with the Westfalia shower tap that the existing Vanagon galley water pump is totally inadequate for any type of showering or meaningful water projection. There is also the problem of system design. The Vanagon galley pump is switched and does not create a pressurized system. The flow is controlled by an electrically switched faucet.

My spray port is a pressure system. You turn on the system initially, it quickly pressurizes (within one second) and then the SHURflo pump maintains the pressure. You take water by opening a valve (the spray head) and benefitting from the high water pressure--much like standard household plumbing. The pump maintains high pressure in the system. My spray port can shoot a stream of water 25 feet...there is no way the Vanagon galley pump could ever do that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

THAT is AWESOME!

This is the first thread I've read in a while that gave me that "holy cow, I need to do that" response.

I wonder what it would take to make a similar system that could handle using non-purified water (i.e. out of creeks, melted cooler ice) from a portable tank that could be placed outside the van?

EDIT (to answer my own question): probably just a longer detachable section of pick-up hose to the pump inlet, and some sort of coarse pre-filter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

SCM wrote:

I wonder what it would take to make a similar system that could handle using non-purified water (i.e. out of creeks, melted cooler ice) from a portable tank that could be placed outside the van?

EDIT (to answer my own question): probably just a longer detachable section of pick-up hose to the pump inlet, and some sort of coarse pre-filter.


Exactly. My mind was going through those possibilities when I was building the system. It would not be difficult to build a manually controlled 3-way valve into the suction line to draw water up from a bucket or a stream or some other static water source. If you have a really good filter system serving your galley you could even use this system to quickly and easily fill your own water tank in the backcountry, treat with a capful of bleach, and rely on the filter/UV sterilization for making the water potable. I envisioned a water catchment system using the forward luggage rack and its drain holes, feeding into a bucket.

I had visions of filling my own coolant system after an untimely backcountry repair.

And then I thought about filling the water tank with beer and driving the van through a St. Patrick's Day parade, me in the driver seat and a helper in the back with kegs, refilling the tank. My one hand is on the wheel and the other is holding the spray hose through the driver window. I am spraying the crowds with beer. Men are chortling and women are screaming. What a vision! That is obviously what this spray port was really meant for.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Shocked VISIONARY Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Nicely done...inspirational even!
But what about hot water?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

photogdave wrote:
Nicely done...inspirational even!
But what about hot water?


I just knew someone would ask that question. There is always the EccoTemp portable units. I'm okay with cold water for now... but the wheels are turning in my head on that problem.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

sound slike alcohol abuse.. well maybe if it's cheap beer
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

baltik wrote:
Bravo, that is a great implementation, may have to copy that...


I wonder if one could build a simplified system and use existing faucet pump? simply install a manual selector/diverter valve on the water line? Any concerns of the pump burning out if it's running but the shower is not flowing at the moment?

For the ultimate setup add a DC water heater to the water tank...
http://mwands.com/store/dc-water-heating-elements/adjustable-water-heating-element

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This is an interesting option...a bulkhead fitting on the side of the water tank. I wonder how big the housing is on the top, with the thermo dial. Not sure how that would fit.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Probably gonna kick yourself in the ass but campervanculture across the pond has developed something with the same result in a much simpler fashion. http://campervanculture.com/shop/vw-westfalia-grey-shower-tap-for-t4-or-upgrade-your-t25-t3/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Nope, the Westfalia shower tap is a European/T4/T5 option once offered by VW that is not really designed for the T3. CVC did not develop it (don't get me wrong, I love CVC and what they do for the camper van market).

CVC, Gunzl and others are now selling the leftover kits from Westfalia. I had one for a while and it is woefully inadequate, even with a new galley water pump. In fact, the underperformance of that shower tap is what drove me to build my vastly improved version. I mentioned all of that in my original post...

Here is a photo I took of my Westfalia shower tap, installed at the same time as a new galley water pump. The tap is on "full blast" and you can see it hardly projects any water:

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The shower tap was fine when used with the T4 galley pump, but the T3 pump won't really work with it. Also, if you use your galley sink for washing dishes or any other camping conveniences, you'll soon learn that the Westfalia shower tap has awful ergonomics--it requires two hands to turn on/off. I hated washing dishes with it. The SHURflo water tap sold by GoWesty, Van Cafe and others is far superior. I haven't known anyone who has really been happy with their Westfalia shower tap.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Great idea, thanks for sharing it with detail!

I wonder though....... does it concern you that you are using your potable water supply up for a shower?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

I use a Shur Flo pump under the sink to power our shower - works great. Here is the next step in my proposal to have hot water showers.


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The rest of the project is here:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

VWinVT wrote:

This is an interesting option...a bulkhead fitting on the side of the water tank. I wonder how big the housing is on the top, with the thermo dial. Not sure how that would fit.

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I would go for one of these and a small snap disc thermostat glued to the side of the tank before that bulkier one (plus I thnk that is 120V). This 12V 300 Watts heater element is about as much Amps as I would want to be pulling even with the engine running. It would take a few hours of driving to heat up the entire on board water tank. But a 3 gallon tank would be a good match for it. Maybe a 4" or 6" PVC pipe setup under the van.

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These only cost $30 or $40
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

Kourt, thank you for posting!! Seems perfect, inexpensive, and simple. This will be done hopefully this winter. Planning to remove my interior to get the insulation out and check for rust. I will do the shower during the reinstall!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

kourt wrote:
I haven't known anyone who has really been happy with their Westfalia shower tap.

kourt


Hi! It's nice to meet you. I love mine. I can operate it with one hand easily and my output, with stock pump, looks nothing like your basketball photo. It almost looks like you have the head halfway twisted from "stream" to "spray". Not intending to insult, but you're aware the t4 head twists to and fro?

Cool upgrade and ingenuity though.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

VWinVT wrote:

I would go for one of these and a small snap disc thermostat glued to the side of the tank before that bulkier one (plus I thnk that is 120V). This 12V 300 Watts heater element is about as much Amps as I would want to be pulling even with the engine running. It would take a few hours of driving to heat up the entire on board water tank. But a 3 gallon tank would be a good match


Hmmmm now that would be an interesting option...
6" PVC pipe under the van with a 300W heater plumbed in. The pvc pipe could be filled via the drain valve of the westy water tank. Add a quick disconnect valve to the PVC pipe and attach one of those battery/DC powered camping showers whenever you want to use it.... This would be a fully heated and integrated shower option taking up zero interior space for around $100...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

... back in '82, we bought a new Westfalia and travelled the USA for a year... on the roof rack, we had a soft black plastic 10 gallon, container, heated by the sun... with a (pinched-at-the- end) hose... Was our shower in out-of-the-way-places, like Chaco Canyon, NM... worked well.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: The Vanagon Spray Port: another way to shower Reply with quote

The only catch with those heaters is that you're gonna pull 25 amps to run it, for about an hour, to heat ~3 gallons to shower temp. Thus requiring you to either idle your engine, have massive amounts of solar, or have a lot of aux batt capacity. Still cool though.
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