Cip1 bed frame installation confusion

[Quintanamobay]

Hello everyone!

I am trying to install a rock and roll bed frame from cip1. The instructions are terrible! Has anyone put one of these together that could help me out a bit? The part I am confused about is bolting together the seat back and seat chair. When bolted together it can’t lay flat. Is it supposed to be this way?

[pioneer1]

What did cip1 say when you called them?
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[Quintanamobay]

[andrewtf]

Do you mean that large entire bed frame thing? like this:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1330235

Assuming a 'yes'... you will see that is distributed (or at least manufactured?) in the United Kingdom.

I'd start by asking the manufacturer for better directions, or at least to answer your specific questions.

good luck.
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[Quintanamobay]

[Ives676]

I know this is an old topic. I have this same bed frame and I have it put together following the terrible directions. Maybe I made a mistake when assembling.

My question is what should the seat angle be at when in the seated/upright position?

My backrest angle seems like it is angled way back. Guessing with a square and a straight edge it is about 135 degree angle (90 being vertical plus 45 degrees for the seatback angle). When you lean back there is a point where you expect the seatback to be....and then you continue leaning back past that point to actually lean against the seatback. The third photo shows what I mean by the extreme angle.

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[mikewire]

@Ives676, did you ever get this figured out? I'm looking for options for a full width bed, and have my eye on this setup, but I hesitate on the post install status you had - I also want to avoid the strange angle there.

Any update?

[Rochon]

Following... I was just scanning this old thread too. We just bought the kit from CIP1 and are having a hard time figuring it out, specifically how far to place the bottom frame from the back. The instructions don't give any indication.

We're also wondering about that angle... we saw the same thing in another post. Would love to hear if @Ives676 was able to adjust it at all.


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[Ives676]

Mike, no I didn’t. I’m in the middle of painting the seat frame now. I took it apart and I have it painted now. Just need to let the paint cure a couple days and reassemble. I am hoping that when reassembling I will see what possible mistake I made and correct it. The only thing it could be is the bars that connect the backrest to the seat bottom. The instructions say the bars connecting one the seat back to bottom are 1mm longer than the ones connecting the seat bottom to the seat base. I really don’t see how that tiny difference would change the angle for the better.

Honestly if I had to do it again I would look for a different seat. The quality of this one isn’t that great. The powder coating was terrible. The seat was already rusting under the crappy powder coat where the welds were located and there were several spots that the powder coat didn’t stick and it has lots of bubbles in the finish. I sanded and used a grinder to clean off most of the powder coat before priming and painting with black enamel. I ended up welding the adjustable width crossmembers to the seat sides because they would rattle while driving. Also I had to cut a few pieces to actually fit the space against the firewall. They were rubbing the firewall. Sorry for the bad news but the seat cost a lot for the headache that it has become. Not worth it in my opinion.
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[Rochon]

@Ives676, what kind of instructions are you working from? The ones from CIP1 were useless, so we printed some off from the manufacturer in the UK. But they don't explain where to drill the holes to bolt the subframe into the floor. It's supposed to be the first step, but it's not obvious where it should be placed.

My husband was nodding as I was reading your last post. He says the same about the quality of this thing. But, we have it now, and we're going to try to make it work.


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[EDragnDean]

Build your own, I haven't heard good reviews on the metal frame units.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

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[Ives676]

@Rochon I am using the JustKamper’s (the manufacturer) instructions. Still hard to follow but better than Cip1.

@EDragnDean I agree. I would probably do that if I had known how much of a pain this would be. I’m already so far in the process that I just want to finish it up. Maybe if I still hate it in a couple years I will switch it to the one you shared.
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[mikewire]

[crownline]

This is what I did. Using the Z bed from bus depot.
Base

Home made bracket so seat back is more upright

Arm rest delete

Bed with tri fold 4" foam.

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[Tom snowden]

I bought one a few years back, total piece of shit! No way to change the back angle unless bracing it from the back. Wait until you try to fold it out, it has no strength if you sit at the bed edge. I am changing it out for the real thing from a guy in SoCal that makes an amazing replica, or better! Sorry for your pain, not much you can do at this point.

[Ives676]

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[jeridmark]

Tom...I sent you a PM but are you willing to share your source for a good qualty bed? Thank you so much.

[SGKent]

I've had an original Z-bed (Tim when he was in N. Hollywood) in both buses and never had any issues. The BusDepot one is a copy of the original although a bit different. And, I am a big guy. Also have the brackets that allow use of the middle seat too.
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[W1K1]

unfortunately, I found this thread after I started trying to assemble this frame already, which of course CIP will not let you return if it's been assembled.
So you don't find out you want to return it until it's too late basically.......

So I have been working with what we have.

assembled the frame, I used the nutsert tool to attach the sliding inner tube, (it's what I had to do the job) so the frame is solid now.
We wanted the bed on the door side so that's why we bought the adjustable frame thinking it was going to be easier.

I'm just using some steel shelf brackets for bracing to make sure the whole assembly is flat, so the bed at least works properly.

the frame ended up being 12.1/4" from the edge of the back floor, and the front bed supports are welded on the wrong angle, and too long and too wide (they don't fit past the frame to fold up when folded to seat), so those will be cut and re welded.

I'll post the part number and link in this thread and hopefully anyone who is searching for feedback on this bed frame is forewarned in the future

https://www.cip1.ca/c27-j14576/

C27-J14576 - ROCK AND ROLL REAR SEAT AND BED FRAME (ASSEMBLY REQUIRED) - ALL VW BUS 52-79 - VANAGON 80-91 - SOLD KIT
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