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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:29 pm    Post subject: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

I was hoping to get images of what 12v components were actually installed in factory-issued 12v buses. Not just a part number, but an image of what was actually installed and not a later addition. There's gotta be a few untouched splitties out there!

I had a longer post explaining why and asking some questions, but cut to the chase: I'd like some images of original parts, please. Ideally with any markings/parts numbers visible, and terminal numbers if present.

I found a few in the gallery:

12v starter
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12v headlight relay 311 941 183B, M620 from chassis 216 000 001 to 190 000
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12v 65-only wiper motor
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12v 65 wiper switch
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I may be abysmal at searching and have missed a few, but there weren't many. I am very interested in photos of the emergency flasher and it's part and terminal numbers, especially any pics of 211 953 207.

I'd imagine the flasher switches with 4 lugs were unchanged. I also assume headlight switch, same, except for part number.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

I have a factory 12v 27/5 1963 SC with all its original 12V electrical parts. What are you needing pics of?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

courtesy of pedro_sainz, here are pics of the hazard flasher relay:

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Silver one is 6v; everything is identical on the 12v version save voltage and part number.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

Those look like type 3 fog light relays. Can they be interchanged? I didn't think so...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

According to this post they can!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98541&highlight=211+953+207

Unfortunately, they are apparently hard to find even in T34 world.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

63 factory manual. 12 volt parts list


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

Battery cover

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

12 v M621 e-flasher relay, additional pic

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

What are the physical dimensions of the original 12V battery that the 12V cover fits?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

Good question! There's this, from EverettB
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=59025

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Here is what appears to be a M620 12 volt battery cover. It measures 9 7/8 x 6 7/8 inches.

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However, I note the image you're referencing has a part # of 211 915 205, and the 3/64 supplement of 620/621 parts lists 113 915 405 for this part. I assume that's a bug part (despite some bug folks having emphatically claimed there were never 12v batts in pre-67 beetles there certainly were; M610 et al) and that if I dig we'll find a superseding list showing a change to 211 number.

Or perhaps it is truly different, needing a new part #?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

70bus wrote:
Good question! There's this, from EverettB
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=59025

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Here is what appears to be a M620 12 volt battery cover. It measures 9 7/8 x 6 7/8 inches.


However, I note the image you're referencing has a part # of 211 915 205, and the 3/64 supplement of 620/621 parts lists 113 915 405 for this part. I assume that's a bug part (despite some bug folks having emphatically claimed there were never 12v batts in pre-67 beetles there certainly were; M610 et al) and that if I dig we'll find a superseding list showing a change to 211 number.

Or perhaps it is truly different, needing a new part #?


I just reposted the image above.

Based on the dimensions above, it seems that Group 26 is the modern equivalent size and terminal layout.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

"I just reposted the image above. "

I understand; the 211 part is in the current Wolfsburg West catalog "12 volt battery cover for beetle or bus through 1967. Intended to fit battery with outer diameter measures 244mm x 173mm. 9 5/16"" x 6 13/16"". 211915405 ".

tasb, feel like finding your cover and looking for a part number? :)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

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What are the physical dimensions of the original 12V battery that the 12V cover fits?

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6 5/8" X 8 1/2" top of battery.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

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Based on the dimensions above, it seems that Group 26 is the modern equivalent size and terminal layout.


MT-26 battery.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

Here is the battery cover for my 1963 factory 12v SC
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

What size and group number is your battery for that cover?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

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What size and group number is your battery for that cover?


I believe it to be the same size as a normal 12v battery cover but I will have to check in to that. I can take a couple measurements of it tonight.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

Your battery should have a sticker stating the size - Mt-26, Mt-42. etc.

Whoever did the cutting of the hole for 'modern' batteris (terminals on same side of battery top) did a good job.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: M620 M621 12v factory - parts images Reply with quote

How does that battery cover work with all those tabs?
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